Fire our new offensive coordinator - Clements

[Joemailman]

Pack could try this: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...809510c3680e79

[mraynrand]

Who is coaching the OL these days? Lets fire them.

Campen seemed absolutely confident before the season. Solaris was a little bit creepy and uncertain. I think he may be schizophrenic, maybe even experiencing auditory and visual hallucinations among other psychological issues.

[pbmax]

Campen seemed absolutely confident before the season. Solaris was a little bit creepy and uncertain. I think he may be schizophrenic, maybe even experiencing auditory and visual hallucinations among other psychological issues.

Fear and Loathing in Monona Terrace?

[Bretsky]

I think Patler's thread brought out wonderful points.

On the offensive side we had a wonderful setup....stellar playcaller....great QB coach.....seemingly great WR coach and yes a solid OL coach....ALTHOUGH...When MM brings in assistants he usually fires the head and hires the asst.......

However........we had a f'cked up special teams and probably a f'ck up for his assistant

so while MM's assistance has helped the ST, the changes seemed to have sent everything else to crap

[Freak Out]

Pack could try this: http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...809510c3680e79

Ha ha!

[denverYooper]

I think it's funny when pretty straightforward schemes work, they are simple and allow the players to "play fast" "without thinking" and dominate but when they don't, they are "predictable".

Is it an offense vs defense thing? The commentariat loves some simple defense executed well. Case in point, in the Denver v Green Bay tilt the Broncos were lauded for playing a simple defense that allowed them to "play fast" but the Packers were lambasted for playing a simple offensive scheme that was "too predictable".

Perhaps the available personnel make a difference. If Green Bay had their full complement of skill guys and Denver had Chris Harris and Demarcus Ware on the bench, that thing would have looked a little different.

[wpony]

well I said we could get him to coach the special team and bring mm back I never said I didnt like MMs his coaching for most of the game I just said when we had big leads we let up which I think is a mistake but ever since we changed coaches around we dont have to worry about letting up and I am not just talking about the last 2 games ,I love the packers and have all the way back to the early 60s but havent seen the total lack luster game calling like the this year games all the way back to oh lets say maybe devine comes to mind YAWNNN !!!!I just hope we get this turned around and quick

[Rutnstrut]

I think it's funny when pretty straightforward schemes work, they are simple and allow the players to "play fast" "without thinking" and dominate but when they don't, they are "predictable".

Is it an offense vs defense thing? The commentariat loves some simple defense executed well. Case in point, in the Denver v Green Bay tilt the Broncos were lauded for playing a simple defense that allowed them to "play fast" but the Packers were lambasted for playing a simple offensive scheme that was "too predictable".

Perhaps the available personnel make a difference. If Green Bay had their full complement of skill guys and Denver had Chris Harris and Demarcus Ware on the bench, that thing would have looked a little different.

I'm not buying the injury excuse, it's all we ever hear. This is football, do they really not plan for injuries?

[mraynrand]

I'm not buying the injury excuse, it's all we ever hear. This is football, do they really not plan for injuries?

The Packers don't plan to lose, they lose to plan.

[red]

no matter who's in charge, you'd think if m3 really had a problem with whats going on, he would step in a do something about it

the creativity is gone, and it seems like we're doing the things that didn't work in the past even more this year. long developing pass plays that take longer to develop then the line can block for. running slow ass lacy outside, when its never worked. and keeping the stupid bullshit no huddle that doesn't seem to be hurting anyone but us

honestly, i almost seems like we rely totally on the free play. that seems to be the only play we ever score with a big play on. every single play, the first option seems to be to get them offsides for a free play.

why not just play football? we're good enough. i think

[pbmax]

For the love of God, everyone stop with the long developing pass plays thing. Just stop. Its not a thing. Especially with Nelson out, they aren't throwing deep or using many double move routes.

Remember the TD to DickRod versus the 49ers? 3WR, 1TE, no one open on first routes (Slants and flats*), later in route longer slant, flat to wheel route, doesn't see Jones open.

Scrambles to left, finds Rodgers in tight window for TD. Its not long developing routes. Its a QB who doesn't think his WR are open. He trusts Cobb most of all and they are doubling him or putting the best corner on him. Next is Jones, who has never been quickest into a route, same with DickRod.

That is why Adams and Monty probably hold the key. And pass protection. Every phase of the passing game is a quagmire right now. And when they can't run, its lucky that Rodgers is still upright. The Packer Offense team photo (taken in the trainers room) is the one you see in the dictionary under 'dysfunctional'.


*Outside of a WR bubble screen, slants and flat routes are the quickest routes that exist.

[Bretsky]

Captain Obvious can point out that we have a huge void at TE (Vernon Davis Anyone)

Minus Jordy, none of these guys run cut on routes like Greg Jennings when he left (and I'm not saying we should have signed him although I do feel his stats would have been WAY better if he had AROD throwing to him.

But we also really miss Montgomery. I think he was a good route runner and could beat coverage off the press. IMO he's better than the Fresno State guy (Allen Robinson anyone) at getting open.

Against a good secondary, we just don't get open enough. And if we don't get open our plays won't consistently work. Add a pass rush and you lose the times Cobb normally gets open free lance style and you lose scrambling

I'm not on board with the fire all of the coaches although I still would have preferred last year's staff setup PLUS a competent ST coordinator not named Zook

[Bretsky]

Abbrederis was the UW Badgers Jordy Nelson. He ran great routes at UW. Either he must have a ways to go or his skills are just not translating enough at the next level

[Patler]

PB, I think there is an issue with slower developing pass plays, and it has little to do with the depths of the routes. It has a lot to do with the schematic tools they give receivers to get open.

[Rutnstrut]

As far as firing Clements, I don't think it would do a bit of good. I think Stubby is still running the show, Clements is just there to take the heat. No way stubby would have totally turned the reins over.