The real problem for the Packers

[mraynrand]

The tackles can set deeper, and they can allow a pass rush, they just can't have it go back into Rodger's lap all the time. If they are going to let the pressure get up field, they at least have to direct it 'vertically' and not more 'horizontally' into Rodgers. IOW, they can get beat upfield, but not both ways. But it might be nice if they stood someone up a few times.

Leaving a guy unblocked means there has to be a hot read, right? Who the hell has that been?

[Bretsky]

Patler...is that your current feeling.......that our coaching staff is weak ? Just curious if that's where you are at.

[King Friday]

We're seeing a one dimensional team without a game changing WR. No RB is trucking down and adjective everything: o line, Rodgers' accuracy, etc.

Funny. Bert rarely had a game changing WR...and his offenses NEVER looked this shitty.

This funk is ENTIRELY on Rodgers IMO. Big Ben is hobbling around on 1/2 a leg and can still throw for a ton of yardage. Brady has another guy go down every week...yet is still making plays. If Rodgers is the elite QB he is supposed to be, he has to stop playing like a pussy and start making his own adjustments.

[Joemailman]

Some perspective...

Pete Carroll, who has taken his team to the last 2 Super Bowls, is 4-5.

John Harbaugh, who won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago is 2-7.

I don't think those guys have forgotten how to coach, and I don't think MM has either. The big question is my opinion is whether MM tried to fix something that wasn't broken with the shakeup of the offensive coaching staff.

[pbmax]

Funny. Bert rarely had a game changing WR...and his offenses NEVER looked this shitty.

This funk is ENTIRELY on Rodgers IMO. Big Ben is hobbling around on 1/2 a leg and can still throw for a ton of yardage. Brady has another guy go down every week...yet is still making plays. If Rodgers is the elite QB he is supposed to be, he has to stop playing like a pussy and start making his own adjustments.

Mike Sherman used to have to beg his players to care more to break out of funks. Favre's offense in Sherman's era often went into passing funks. He didn't have much besides Driver. They were .500 a lot in the middle of the season.

[pbmax]

Some perspective...

Pete Carroll, who has taken his team to the last 2 Super Bowls, is 4-5.

John Harbaugh, who won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago is 2-7.

I don't think those guys have forgotten how to coach, and I don't think MM has either. The big question is my opinion is whether MM tried to fix something that wasn't broken with the shakeup of the offensive coaching staff.

That's a good point.

We should be enjoying Pete's pain much, much more.

[Patler]

Patler...is that your current feeling.......that our coaching staff is weak ? Just curious if that's where you are at.

I have always thought there were weak spots in the staff, as well as strengths. That hasn't changed.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I am starting to think that having the base offense and then the Rodgers version of the offense isn't helping right now. Normally, with a full complement of weapons, the adjustments the QB and WR do help flummox defenses who have adjusted to what they see on tape.

But now I think it helps to muddy the picture.

I have one example. Many have mentioned the Tackles tacking deep sets in pass pro in an effort to give Rodgers room to work and scramble. But those tackles are getting beat and when that happens off a deep set, they are immediately in the vicinity of the QB. Several times we have seen Rodgers try to escape right or left but there are two bodies there blocking the way.

One of the Rodgers offense adjustments is to leave a man unblocked (think Atlanta playoff game or the much more recent free rusher up the middle). Often that is planned and Rodgers is inviting a pass rush to pull one more guy out of coverage. To keep upright, Rodgers will roll out and move away from pressure. But if the Tackles are set deep and getting beat, then his escape routes are jammed.

Trying to fix this offense might be like undoing a knot.

pb, is it possible teams adjust their pass blocking sets depending on the opposition? I've watched the Bengels and the Cardinals games this last week and they take deep sets as well. But they were playing minimal blitz teams with good front fours. The Panthers and Lions took shallow sets with Olinemen close together. Maybe they know Dom can't get pressure with the front four only and they know his blitzing patterns. After all, Claymaker is in the middle now.

[MadScientist]

Some perspective...

Pete Carroll, who has taken his team to the last 2 Super Bowls, is 4-5.

John Harbaugh, who won the Super Bowl just 3 years ago is 2-7.

I don't think those guys have forgotten how to coach, and I don't think MM has either. The big question is my opinion is whether MM tried to fix something that wasn't broken with the shakeup of the offensive coaching staff.

More like MM broke something in the attempt to fix something else that was broken (defense, ST, overall game management).

The offense is clearly broken. When you can't score at home against one of the worst defenses in the league, you have serious problems. AR is missing receiver more than we've ever seen them. Receiver are making bad drops. Blitzing Rodgers used to be suicide for defenses, now it's the Packers who are getting killed. No doubt Jordy would have helped a lot, but there's more than just the loss of Jordy going on.

[mraynrand]

IT's pretty simple. DBs are all over the WRs and the line is letting pressure in right off the snap. The line can't run block and Lacy is hobbled and fat. Now Rodgers is more skittish and looking for the pressure and tossing a lot of crap. It's a combinatorial, full group-effort tire fire.

[pbmax]

pb, is it possible teams adjust their pass blocking sets depending on the opposition? I've watched the Bengels and the Cardinals games this last week and they take deep sets as well. But they were playing minimal blitz teams with good front fours. The Panthers and Lions took shallow sets with Olinemen close together. Maybe they know Dom can't get pressure with the front four only and they know his blitzing patterns. After all, Claymaker is in the middle now.

Its possible they adjust for specific teams, but I would think those adjustments would be smaller and done by individual players to adjust for the strength of the opponent they expect to see across the LOS.

System wide adjustments, deep or short sets, would seem to be play specific. For instance, options teams are going to set short because if the QB chooses to run rather than pass, they need to be close to a defender to block. You don't want a free defender except the option target defender.

To your point, however, teams might find that either certain plays with short sets OR short sets in particular are a good antidote to the Packers pressure. I think San Diego schemed that way all game. The longer stuff came later as they grew more confident.

[PA Pack Fan]

Funny. Bert rarely had a game changing WR...and his offenses NEVER looked this shitty.

This funk is ENTIRELY on Rodgers IMO. Big Ben is hobbling around on 1/2 a leg and can still throw for a ton of yardage. Brady has another guy go down every week...yet is still making plays. If Rodgers is the elite QB he is supposed to be, he has to stop playing like a pussy and start making his own adjustments.

I agree 100%.

Rodgers plays better and we stop finding things wrong with the Packers.

[Smidgeon]

We're seeing a one dimensional team without a game changing WR. No RB is trickling down and affecting everything: o line, Rodgers' accuracy, etc.

Darn mobile autocorrect.

[Fritz]

IT's pretty simple. DBs are all over the WRs and the line is letting pressure in right off the snap. The line can't run block and Lacy is hobbled and fat. Now Rodgers is more skittish and looking for the pressure and tossing a lot of crap. It's a combinatorial, full group-effort tire fire.

That's about it in a nutshell.

I just wish I thought MM knew how to fix it. Right now, he doesn't seem to have a handle on this. At all.

And to think this is basically the same team, sans Jordy, Bostick, Brad Jones and Hawk, and Tramontana and House that where within a whisker of the SB last year. and I don't think many people would even want Hawk, Jones, Bostick or Tramontana back.