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  • #196
    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
    I think Higgins is overrated. I didn't like him much watching his film, and then he not only timed poorly in the 40, but tested poorly in almost every category. There are only two WRs out of 55 WRs that I looked at who tested worse than Higgins as an overall athlete in this draft, De'Runnya Wilson and D'haquille Williams. At least, those guys go 224+ lbs--while Higgins is 196 lbs. Only one guy out of 86 that I looked at in the last two drafts tested worse, Jarvis Landry. Landry sort of beat the odds (I say sort of because I don't think he's all that good) with the way he tested.

    It's funny you said that if a CB runs 4.7, why bother looking at him. Well, there aren't any CBs that actually ran 4.7+ (except maybe one fringe guy, Jimmy Pruitt), and there aren't many WRs who timed or tested as poorly as Higgins.
    I looked at Higgins before the combine - his tape is great. He actually reminds me of Jerry Rice in how he runs his routes, snatches the ball, etc. Rice only ran a 4.6.

    Very smooth athlete, good routes, good hands... I think he can play.
    wist

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    • #197
      So it does not look like Ranking/Billings/Lee or Decker will be there in the latest polls

      who are you thinking out of Floyd/Butler/Spence/Spriggs or Jackson111 all who seem to be there is the latest mocks

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      • #198
        Was Higgins the kid who ran slow and then confirmed the slow time at his pro day recently? I read someone I normally trust (don't remember who) say that now all public draft people and rankings are going to drop him, but teams that liked him still think he will be good and the time was not unexpected.

        wist, you have any film of him?
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #199
          Originally posted by pbmax View Post
          Was Higgins the kid who ran slow and then confirmed the slow time at his pro day recently? I read someone I normally trust (don't remember who) say that now all public draft people and rankings are going to drop him, but teams that liked him still think he will be good and the time was not unexpected.

          wist, you have any film of him?
          Here's Rang's write up on him:

          Higgins led the country with 1,750 receiving yards, 17 touchdowns and an 18.2 yards-per-catch average in 2014. He went for more than 100 yards receiving in nine consecutive games, including against Philadelphia Eagles second-round pick Eric Rowe and the Utah Utes in the Las Vegas Bowl.

          After just two seasons with McElwain calling the plays and Grayson delivering strikes, Higgins already has hauled in Colorado State's career record for receiving touchdowns with 23 scores.

          STRENGTHS: Good height and length for the position. Light-footed with easy strides and natural body control. Excellent rhythm and depth in his routes and transitions his weight well. Crafty, coordinated footwork at the top of routes and off the line of scrimmage to create spacing. Above average locating ability with terrific sight adjustments to find, track and quickly adjust to the ball. Great sense of surroundings with an innate feel for holes in coverage. Nifty and creative to be a catch-and-go threat. Attacks with his hands and finishes through the process of the catch. Competitive blocker, using his body as a tool. Fearless over the middle and not intimidated by anyone on the field. Humble, but doesn't shy from his "Hollywood" nickname. Highly productive and leaves Colorado State as the school's all-time leader in catches (230), receiving yards (3,520) and touchdowns (31).

          WEAKNESSES: Thin-boned with lean muscle tone. Not a powerful runner and won't consistently break tackles. Focused, but too finesse at the catch point. Can be overmatched physically and knocked off his route by some defensive backs. Mediocre top-end speed and lacks multiple gears. Good plant-and-go quickness, but not naturally explosive or a strong leaper. Has cut down the drops, but will have occasional focus lapses. Doesn't have any return experience on special teams.

          IN OUR VIEW: Higgins lined up primarily as the "X" receiver in Colorado State's offense and was asked to run a variety of routes, showing the instincts to exploit holes and get uncovered. Higgins isn't a burner or sudden athlete, but he plays with synchronized shake and terrific footwork to plant-and-go without wasted movements in his routes. He is advanced in several areas at the position and might be the best receiver in this class at improvising to find open zones and give his quarterback a clean target. Although is lack of ideal size and speed will ding him on draft boards, Higgins has the production that matches the tape and his strengths translate well to the next level.

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          I haven't heard anything about his pro-day. You look at his workout numbers and it makes you go back and look at his film again, then back and forth, lol... He looks great on the field, then you look at his numbers again, and back and forth - will be interesting to see where he goes. CBS still has him as a 2nd-3rd round pick.

          The call on Higgins is going to be if a team thinks his short area quickness and burst will be enough to overcome the fact that he doesn't have long speed or extra gears.

          I don't think he'll go before the 4th round, but if he's still there at the end of the 4th, or in the 5th??
          wist

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          • #200
            Part of that writeup sounds like Abbrederis.
            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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            • #201
              Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
              Does anyone like his Mock for the Packers?
              Pretty much hate that draft from top to bottom woody, lol...

              I like Murray, but I'd pass on everybody else in that draft for other players.
              wist

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              • #202
                27: R1P27
                ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA

                57: R2P26
                TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS

                88: R3P25
                DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON OHIO STATE

                125: R4P27
                DT MALIEK COLLINS NEBRASKA

                131: R4P33
                RB AARON GREEN TCU

                137: R4P39
                DT JAVON HARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

                163: R5P24
                OT JOE HAEG NORTH DAKOTA STATE

                200: R6P25
                QB JAKE COKER ALABAMA

                248: R7P27
                OT AVERY YOUNG AUBURN
                But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                -Tim Harmston

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                • #203
                  ThunderDan, which Board in Fanspeak did you use to get these results?
                  One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                  John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                  • #204
                    Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                    ThunderDan, which Board in Fanspeak did you use to get these results?
                    I used the Fanspeak board.
                    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

                    -Tim Harmston

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                    • #205
                      Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
                      I used the Fanspeak board.
                      I've been playing with Fanspeak for a while and the challenge is using a Board that reflects some realism. A couple of them are just plain bizarre. I like the CBS and NFL ones. Fanspeak ain't bad either.
                      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                      John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                      • #206
                        Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
                        27: R1P27
                        ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA

                        57: R2P26
                        TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS

                        88: R3P25
                        DT ADOLPHUS WASHINGTON OHIO STATE

                        125: R4P27
                        DT MALIEK COLLINS NEBRASKA

                        131: R4P33
                        RB AARON GREEN TCU

                        137: R4P39
                        DT JAVON HARGRAVE SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

                        163: R5P24
                        OT JOE HAEG NORTH DAKOTA STATE

                        200: R6P25
                        QB JAKE COKER ALABAMA

                        248: R7P27
                        OT AVERY YOUNG AUBURN
                        I am a self-professed draft dummy. But I would love this draft.

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                        • #207
                          BPA Draft, FANSPEAK Big Board... (I literally picked the top player listed and let the Board choose the Best Player Available for me at any position)

                          27: R1P27
                          OT JACK CONKLIN
                          MICHIGAN STATE

                          57: R2P26
                          DT VERNON BUTLER
                          LOUISIANA TECH

                          88: R3P25
                          TE AUSTIN HOOPER
                          STANFORD

                          125: R4P27
                          WR KENNY LAWLER
                          CALIFORNIA

                          131: R4P33
                          DT JAVON HARGRAVE
                          SOUTH CAROLINA STATE

                          137: R4P39
                          CB BRIEAN BODDY-CALHOUN
                          MINNESOTA

                          163: R5P24
                          WR MALCOLM MITCHELL
                          GEORGIA

                          200: R6P25
                          DT NILE LAWRENCE-STAMPLE
                          FLORIDA STATE

                          248: R7P27
                          QB BRANDON ALLEN
                          ARKANSAS



                          BPA Draft, NFL Big Board...

                          27: R1P27
                          ILB REGGIE RAGLAND 6.4
                          ALABAMA

                          57: R2P26
                          RB DERRICK HENRY 6.1
                          ALABAMA

                          88: R3P25
                          DT KENNY CLARK 5.9
                          UCLA

                          125: R4P27
                          G DARRELL GREEN 5.5
                          SAN DIEGO ST.

                          131: R4P33
                          DT ADAM GOTSIS 5.5
                          GEORGIA TECH

                          137: R4P39
                          K ROBERTO AGUAYO 5.5
                          FLORIDA ST.

                          163: R5P24
                          QB CODY KESSLER 5.4
                          USC

                          200: R6P25
                          CB BRANDON WILLIAMS 5.3
                          TEXAS A&M

                          248: R7P27
                          WR ROGER LEWIS 5.1
                          BOWLING GREEN



                          BPA Draft, DRAFTTEK Big Board...

                          27: R1P27
                          QB PAXTON LYNCH
                          MEMPHIS

                          57: R2P26
                          TE HUNTER HENRY
                          ARKANSAS

                          88: R3P25
                          DT CHRIS JONES
                          MISSISSIPPI ST

                          125: R4P27
                          RB PAUL PERKINS
                          UCLA

                          131: R4P33
                          WRF WILHELM BOEHRINGER
                          GERMANY

                          137: R4P39
                          ILB TYLER MATAKEVICH
                          TEMPLE

                          163: R5P24
                          DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY
                          TEXAS

                          200: R6P25
                          TE DAVID MORGAN II
                          UTSA

                          248: R7P27
                          OLB STEPHEN WEATHERLY
                          VANDERBILT
                          One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                          John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                          • #208
                            I was listening to Sirius XM NFL Radio's "Moving the Chains" on my commute home today and they did their last fan mock draft where they had a prominent caller from each team's fan base (some of these guys are like minor celebs from all the times they call in). The guy who picked for the Packers chose Reggie Ragland at #27. The very next pick by Kansas City's fan rep was A'Shawn Robinson.

                            Here is a link to their entire fan draft: https://www.facebook.com/siriusxmnfl...type=3&theater

                            In the real draft, if Ragland and Billings are gone by #27, I wouldn't be opposed to getting Robinson if he's there.
                            "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                            • #209
                              27: DT JARRAN REED - ALABAMA
                              57: OLB DEION JONES - LSU
                              88: TE NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE
                              125: R4P27 RB C.J. PROSISE - NOTRE DAME
                              131: CB ERIC MURRAY - MINNESOTA
                              137: DT D.J. READER - CLEMSON
                              163: G SPENCER DRANGO - BAYLOR
                              200: DE D.J. PETTWAY - ALABAMA
                              248: OT PEARCE SLATER - SAN DIEGO STATE

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                              • #210
                                27: OT TAYLOR DECKER - OHIO STATE
                                57: OLB DEION JONES - LSU
                                88: TE NICK VANNETT - OHIO STATE
                                125: DT D.J. READER - CLEMSON
                                131: OT JOE HAEG - NORTH DAKOTA STATE
                                137: RB C.J. PROSISE - NOTRE DAME
                                163: CB ERIC MURRAY - MINNESOTA
                                200: OT AVERY YOUNG - AUBURN
                                248: TE TANNER MCEVOY - WISCONSIN

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