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How can OL not be atop everyone's list? Or a GM? LOL
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First Round talent for consideration for the Packers
Hunter Henry TE, JR, Arkansas: Pass catching TE that lines up in the slot and is rarely asked to block.
Germain Ifedi OT, JR, Texas A&M: Long Arms and is tough to push back, tends to grab. Can play guard and both tackle positions
Jack Conklin OT,JR, Michigan St: Walked on to MSU and earned a scholarship and started at left tackle as a redshirt freshman, good in the run game, Smart
Reggie Ragland ILB, SR, Alabama: this is a reach to think that he will fall to the Packers, but if they want a first rounder he is the only one
Josh Doctson WR, SR, Texas Christian: Plays the ball really well, technique is good, but frame is off putting
Michael Thomas WR, Jr, Ohio St: Good route runner, strong frame to attack the middle of the field, not an explosive threat down field
Jonathan Allen DE, Jr, Alabama" Can rush from the inside or outside. Thick build as a 5 tech tackle.
Jarran Reed DT, Sr, Alabama: Anchor on the defensive line, juco kid took time to adjust.
Noah Spence OLB, JR, Eastern Kentucky: big hybrid type and loves Ecstasy!Comment
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Not too many plug and play LT's drafted in the mid-20's where the Packers will likely be slotted, save for a miracle playoff run. Joe Staley was picked #28 by S.F. in 2007. Marshal Yanda was selected in the 3rd round of that same year. That's likely the type of value they would be looking for. Could they be looking to replace/reposition Bahktiari? Sure, but if they are not, they just need some more quality depth. If they do draft a LT first, I think David will be on the move to a different position. If the draft slot says the pick has the right value and the need is certainly there, then by all means, do it. Otherwise, BPA should always win the pick."Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick MoynihanComment
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I really don't see how we can fill these needs immediately and/or with good players by means of the draft only. ...I'm sure someone will explain it to me.Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
It's also interesting that pretty much this same set of needs existed last year. My criteria for my mock drafts of last year used the following criteria:
I also felt we needed a QB for the future and another OTackle given last year's injury-ridden Oline. But these were not pressing, priority needs.1) Improve ILB speed and playmaking ability against the run and pass; 2) Improve CB physicality and attitude against the run and not sacrifice coverage; 3) Improve 3rd down and red zone options, especially via the pass [and this was when Jordy was healthy]; 4) Improve defensive line against the run; 5) Improve special teams; and 6) Improve team speed in general.
Assuming these criteria were reasonable, TT's draft was weak. He accomplished #2 by drafting Randall and Rollins. He drafted Montgomery to accomplish #5, as well as add a WR. He drafted Ryan to accomplish #1, but Ryan is of doubtful value and slow. Even Montgomery is not a burner. By selecting Hundley TT sacrificed a present need (#3) for a QB of the future. Really, his last four picks (Hundley, Ripkowski, Ringo and Backman were development projects for the future. Moreover, he didn't really improve team speed on offense. If he had drafted a Tyler Lockette or a Stephan Diggs to return KO's or a MyCole Pruitt at TE he would have added team speed on offense.
So, TT's draft was pretty much a fail relative to my criteria, except for his first three picks.
The point of #1 was to free up Clay to move back to OLB. Drafting Stephone Anthony or Erik Kendricks would have done that, plus added significantly to team speed on defense. This draft was deep in CB's, so TT might have still found a starter in the 2nd round (or in free agency).
The biggest TT fail IMO was not accomplishing #3. Converting on 3rd downs and in the Red Zone has been a real problem this year. Yes, a healthy Montgomery and Nelson would have helped, but a speedy, pass catching, 3rd down RB like David Johnson or Marcus Murphy maybe would have solved the problem completely and/or a tall, speedy WR/TE like Devin Funchess or Darren Waller.
Obviously, looking at last year's draft in hindsight is not fair. Not all the guys I mentioned were available to TT and choosing one of them might mean we wouldn't have a guy like Randle. But in a roundabout way, that is my point. The draft can never fill all of our needs, present and future. TT must, IMO, supplement the draft with more, key free agents that might be good, one or two-year stop gap solutions to present needs.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The NumbersComment
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If they draft an OT in the 1st, they probably won't be looking for him to start in 2016. But you never know how things work out. Bulaga has never played every game. Bulaga wasn't going to start as a rookie in 2010 but then Tauscher got hurt. But looking ahead a year, Sitton, Lang, Bakhtiari and Tretter are all set to be UDFA's following 2016. Chances are, they won't all be back, so the LT position could be open in 2017. Drafting an OT makes a lot of sense. Better chance of an OT worth a 1st round pick being available when the Packers pick than an ILB or TE. Right now I see the Packers 1st round pick being an OT, DT or WR.I can't run no more
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Which means it wasn't a fail because his high draft picks all addressed things on your list. Low draft picks are all developmental based on projection.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
But to address your other point that free agency adds to a team's value, I submit the following article:
5 of the top 25 free agents going into last year made the playoffs. Sure, free agents can help, but by and large, the core of a team, the part that will help drive them to and through the playoffs comes through the draft. Picking up bit/role players for cheap helps supplement it, but anyone looking for a splash free agent to plug holes only needs to look across the entire league and the entire playoff field to see that it just doesn't work that way.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.Comment
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DEAR TED...................GO GET HIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm
Reggie Ragland ILB, SR, Alabama: this is a reach to think that he will fall to the Packers, but if they want a first rounder he is the only oneTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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If the Packers lose this weekend they'll be picking 21-22. There's a chance Ragland could be there. If they win they'll be picking 25 or later, which would greatly reduce the chances.Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
Another interesting guy is Jaylon Smith of Notre Dame. He was considered a top 10 pick before a leg injury in the Fiesta Bowl. He could be in play if teams downgrade him because of the injury. He is an OLB, but some project him inside. He has superior coverage skills to Ragland.
Edit: Smith has torn ACL/MCL. It was expected he would turn pro, although he has not made an announcement.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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Hate the Data you just provided; we don't have a punchers chance for a title. Since we play with ourselves throughout free agency and use that at PTO, they desperately need a ILB to get Matthews back outside to give us another title shot.TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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AmenOriginally posted by Smidgeon View Post"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - WoodbuckComment
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No, no , no. You know that isn't how it is supposed to work.Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
High draft picks are All-Pros. Low draft picks are Pro-Bowlers.But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim HarmstonComment
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So, Smidge, are you saying that if a team has more than 3 pressing needs, then the draft cannot fill all the team needs? If so, what then?Originally posted by Smidgeon View PostWhich means it wasn't a fail because his high draft picks all addressed things on your list. Low draft picks are all developmental based on projection.
But to address your other point that free agency adds to a team's value, I submit the following article:
5 of the top 25 free agents going into last year made the playoffs. Sure, free agents can help, but by and large, the core of a team, the part that will help drive them to and through the playoffs comes through the draft. Picking up bit/role players for cheap helps supplement it, but anyone looking for a splash free agent to plug holes only needs to look across the entire league and the entire playoff field to see that it just doesn't work that way.
Are you saying that the Packers should never enter the free agency market to fill needs?
The article you posted is crap, poorly written and poorly researched. Just look at the Packer championship teams going back all the way to Lombardi and you'll find them "Packed" with non-drafted vet players that were brought in to fill needs.
Willie Davis, Henry Jordan, Zeke Bratkowski, Carroll Dale, Lee Roy Caffey, Ben Wilson, Chuck Mercein, Don Chandler, Brett Favre, Jim McMahon, Don Beebe, Andre Rison, Desmond Howard, Keith Jackson, Frank Winters, Reggie White, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown, Ron Cox, Mike Prior, Eugene Robinson, Ahman Green, Howard Green, Ryan Pickett, Erik Walden, Charles Woodson, Ryan Grant...
Are you saying Green Bay could have been just as successful over the years by developing players only by the draft and by not making these trades or signing these free agents?One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The NumbersComment
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Maxie, the developmental guys (draft picks, rookie FAs) from the previous draft are supposed to come through. The best case scenarios are Driver and Shields.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - WoodbuckComment
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I understand this is how it is supposed to work. Lately it hasn't worked that way. So my question is: Then what?Originally posted by mraynrand View PostOne time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The NumbersComment
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I like the way you think.Originally posted by ThunderDan View PostNo longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.Comment
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