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  • It is hard for me to see how this team will ever get to another SB with this regime

    Ted Thompson:

    Team building:

    There are 3 avenues to build a team, Ted Thompson chooses to use only one of them. This means there is VERY small if not 0 margain for error in your drafting. That is because if a draft pick busts, you have no way to cover up for him short term. That is why picks like Perry, Jones, Worthy etc hurt so bad. No you can’t have an all pro at every position, but you can’t have any draft picks who bust either, if you choose to only build one route.

    We don’t need to splurge in FA. Just look how New England does it. Short term, small contracts for vets who can start or spot start. More Julius Peppers types, less Matt O’Dwyer types.

    I think when players around the league see things like Lynch, Gonzalez and Moss slip thru Ted’s hands, they laugh. Players used to want to play for Wolf/Favre/Holmgren. Not so much anymore.

    This has been rehashed over and over, so I won’t go more into it. I think you guys get the point here.

    He has also completely ignored certain positions. It took 3 years after Nick Collins got hurt to put any resources into finding a safety. In that time we drafted 1, in the 4th round.

    Do you really think Bill B would have MD Jennings starting meaningful games? Don Barclay at tackle? How hard is it to sign a veteran there?

    He also ignored the ILB position and continues to do so, to the point where our best pass rusher is playing out of position.

    A quick note on the draft - please stop with the “lunchpail” guys like R Rodgers and Ripkowski (we already have a FB!!). More athletes please. Speedsters. Just take flyers on these guys. Instead TT will take some hard working undersized stiff like Barrington. As a result, our team looks like its running in cement, and it shows especially against teams like Arizona.

    Finally, people say Capers defense is hard to learn, and to a lesser extent Mike’s offense. In that case, where are the vet signings who will learn the defense and offense faster than a rookie? There seems to be a disconnect between the GM’s philosphy and the systems the coaches run, in that regard.


    Coaches:

    How has he not fired Capers yet? He should have been gone after Kaepernick ran all over the defense. Now, assistants is probably MM’s call, but can’t TT say, “you fire Capers, or you’re gone too.” I don’t know much about the dynamic here as far as who is in charge, so that’s all I’ll say. That Capers and Slocum should have been fired long ago. (Hell,look how much better our special teams were this year with Zook).

    Mike McCarthy:

    Now, on to MM who I think is the bigger problem. I’m just going to make bullet points here in the interest of time:

    -Routes - unimaginative, predictable, boring etc. I don’t think Cobb is a true #1, but do you have any doubt he’d catch 90 balls in New England’s or New Orleans’s offense?

    -Refusal to play guys like Abby when Rodgers says he trusts him.

    -His idea of a mismatches are our slowest players (Kuhn and Dickrod) in the slot/flat.

    -0 halftime adjustsments

    -kicking fgs in the NFCCG

    -Consider that this is the first season w/o all pro talent all over the field at MM’s disposal and its the worst Packers offense in years

    I will say I think he is a good motivator and decent playcaller. Bill Walsh said that after 10 years a team needs a head coaching change, simply because things get stayle. I don’t think MM is a “bad” coach, maybe an average to above average one who’s message and plays have gotten stale.

    Conclusion:

    We won 10 games vs bad teams and because our QB is out of this world good. All this said, I doubt anything will happen unless TT or MM or both step down. Mike Murphy is a yes man. Murphy and TT seem very high ceilcing, risk-averse guys who don’t like to shake things up. Even if we did get a new head coach, it would probably be someone else with Wisconsin ties who runs the West Coast Offense.


    Would love to hear your thoughts.

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    It will take another year to figure out whether what happened to the offense this year is an anomaly or a trend. I would say that speed at the skills positions on offense has been neglected, and needs to be addressed. Seems like a strange time to be calling for the firing of Capers. The play of the defense has prevented 10-6 from being 6-10.
    I can't run no more
    With that lawless crowd
    While the killers in high places
    Say their prayers out loud
    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
    A thundercloud
    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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    • #3
      AWESOME avatar bro
      Brandon Marshall, MAN...!!
      Jimmie Johnson: Nascar's G.O.A.T......

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      • #4
        Rodgers didn't need to play all that much better for them to win that game Sunday. Nor a couple other games. He has not been out of this world good this year.

        The future two years will depend a lot on whether Rodgers has peaked and whether some of these injuries are chronic and/or are a harbinger of decline (Bulaga slowing, Lang's shoulder, Sitton's back, Lacy's belly fat, etc. etc.
        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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        • #5
          They will never get back to the Super Bowl?
          They were within a fumbled onside kick of getting there last year.

          I know, I know; you aren't there if you don't get there, and losing is losing, whether by a point or 30 points. But it is hard to say that the roster last year wasn't good enough to get to the SB.

          It is easy to overreact to what has happened this year. The frustrating thing is that the defense has been reasonably good, certainly good enough to win a SB if the offense had been a typically performing MM offense. STs were much improved over what we have seen in recent years. Unfortunately, the offense was so much worse that the improved D and ST may go to waste.

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          • #6
            Ron Wolf's Packers won exactly one Super Bowl.

            GOAT.

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            • #7
              tldr;

              Please try to include more pictures in future posts. Or perhaps a poll.

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              • #8
                People like the OP (with the shiny new account) must have been chomping at the bit for a season like this. The last few years must have been really miserable for them.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Striker View Post
                  Ron Wolf's Packers won exactly one Super Bowl.

                  GOAT.

                  Thompson:

                  10 years
                  3 NFCCGs
                  1 SB win
                  1 SB appearance
                  7-6 playoff record

                  Wolf:

                  10 years
                  3 NFCCG
                  1 SB win
                  2 SB appearances
                  10-6 playoff record

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                  • #10
                    Let's not forget Vince here:

                    Lombardi:

                    10 years
                    5 NFL titles
                    2 SB wins
                    2 SB appearances
                    9-1 playoff record

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                    • #11
                      A self proclaimed fart in the wind.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RonWolfGOAT View Post
                        Thompson:

                        10 years
                        3 NFCCGs
                        1 SB win
                        1 SB appearance
                        7-6 playoff record

                        Wolf:

                        10 years
                        3 NFCCG
                        1 SB win
                        2 SB appearances
                        10-6 playoff record
                        A difference without a distinction.

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                        • #13
                          Solid post

                          I agree with most of what you note about TTT

                          You make some good points on MM but I don't agree with you on Dom. Why was the D so bad then ? See your notes on Ted Thompson
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            He has also completely ignored certain positions. It took 3 years after Nick Collins got hurt to put any resources into finding a safety. In that time we drafted 1, in the 4th round.
                            False. To nitpick, we had Safties after Collins was hurt during the 2011 season. Burnett and Woodson in 2012, no need at the time to spend a high draft pick. Burnett and Jennings/Richardson in 2013, ok Jennings and Richardson didn't work out. Ha-Ha was drafted in 2014, 1st round in response to that.

                            So he really only let one year go by of not really addressing the S position.
                            All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                              Solid post

                              I agree with most of what you note about TTT

                              You make some good points on MM but I don't agree with you on Dom. Why was the D so bad then ? See your notes on Ted Thompson
                              Thank you for the first legit reply to my thoughts.

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