"experts" comment on Packers O and what wrong

[pbmax]

yeah, the one receiver screen

Oh yeah, that was non-good. Don't think of him having poor hands though.

[Patler]

Oh yeah, that was non-good. Don't think of him having poor hands though.

He has had several in just the recent games, and seemed to get benched by MM after one, much likes Starks after his last fumble. That is why I said drops or injury might limit his opportunities.

[pbmax]

I just remember the one deep that bounced off his hands down the sideline a couple of game ago. If bad hands were enough to merit the bench, then Adams would be glued to the pine.

[Patler]

I just remember the one deep that bounced off his hands down the sideline a couple of game ago. If bad hands were enough to merit the bench, then Adams would be glued to the pine.

Except there is no one else to replace Adams now, and Adams had a solid 2014 to gain some tolerance. Neither Abrederis nor Janis has that, yet.

Abrederis has had several others that seemed catchable. The idea of him being benched after the previous one isn't mine, it came from one of the writers who seemed to think it was as clear as Starks being benched for the fumble.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Except there is no one else to replace Adams now, and Adams had a solid 2014 to gain some tolerance. Neither Abrederis nor Janis has that, yet.

Abrederis has had several others that seemed catchable. The idea of him being benched after the previous one isn't mine, it came from one of the writers who seemed to think it was as clear as Starks being benched for the fumble.

I hear what everybody is saying, but MM has to play what he has been dealt. Continuing to play adams when he has been sooo inconsistent, seems to be an exercise in futility. Is abby the answer? Is Janis the answer? I have no clue, but u would think MM would ride those ponies until one or the other was as inconsistent as adams.

Enough cliches for u? U like that?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

And as far as what experts think, I say phuck em, expert's opinions don't win superbowls.

[Carolina_Packer]

I don't get the point of this paragraph. Are you suggesting TT should have drafted Reed in 2013? Someone other than Rodgers in 2014? In 2013, they still had Finley for the first 6 games. To get Reed, the Packers would have had to take him instead of Lacy in the second round. He was already gone by the Packers pick in the third, which they traded. In 2014 there was a run on TEs ealy in the draft. Ebron was gone before the Packers took HHCD, and three others went in the second before GB took Adams. Green Bay could have taken any of those three in the first instead of HHCD, or could have taken Fiedorowicz in the second instead of Adams. When GB took Rodgers, they could have had Gilmore, who went to the Ravens on the very next pick. After that, no TEs were taken until the 5th and 7th rounds. It was reported the Packers had interest in many of the TEs, but with the rush on TEs early in the 2nd round, there wasn't much left to pick from for the Packers. Rodgers was the 6th TE taken.

I'm not suggesting Rodgers will ever be the elusive target Reed is. It doesn't appear that he will. On the other hand, in his second year, Reed had 50 receptions for 465 yards. Rodgers in his second year had 58 for 510. Finley exceeded 58 receptions just once, in 2012 with 61. Again, I'm not suggesting that Rodgers will ever be the dynamic type of receiver that Finley was, I don't see that ever happening. But I'm not yet sure where and how Rodgers will ultimately fit in next year as a 3rd year player and thereafter. Last year he averaged 11.3 yards/rec. This year, the entire passing offense is way down in average,not just Rodgers. Basically, Rodgers will get little more than the yards the throw covers, but he seems to get open somewhat and catches most of the ones he should. It would be nice if he had the elusiveness of some others, but he doesn't. He can still be serviceable, however.

The point is hoping that TT and staff can draft a more impactful player, relative to where they are being picked in the draft. Washington got Jordan Reed, we got Richard Rodgers, at roughly the same spot (albeit a year apart). Discounting future injuries, I'd say Jordan Reed has a higher upside than Richard Rodgers. It's not really even about Jordan Reed. It's about wanting the team to go after guys like Jordan Reed vs. guys like Richard Rodgers. My comment has nothing to do with the year, who we had on the roster at the time. It's simply that TT may have over-valued the potential of Rodgers, compared with a guy like Jordan Reed. In his third year next year, perhaps Richard Rodgers might jump up and become as impactful as Jordan Reed. I hope so, but will he suddenly become more than his measurable when he was first evaluated?

[mraynrand]

^ Sure, but Patler's point is about trade-offs and when you are drafting for whom and who is available when you are drafting. All those things worked against getting a guy like Reed at TE. Who knows, maybe in the upcoming draft a guy like Reed will be in the Packers' grasp.

[Patler]

That's just it, you can pick only from the ones available when your turn comes up.

If the Packers passing game had clicked this year like last, and R. Rodgers averaged this year anything close to the 11.3 yards per reception that he did in 2014, we might be a littler perturbed about his clumsiness, but might be looking forward to what more is coming from him. Other than James Jones, yardage for the receivers was terrible (ignoring Janis 79 yards on 2 receptions). Cobb was at 10.5, Adams at 9.7. For that reason, I am focusing on Rodgers 58 receptions, more than we have seen from a TE in a long time, except for one year when Finley had 61.

[Bretsky]

Abby can do this as well. He ran a slant for the 2 point conversion. Not the biggest guy and he was in the slot, but somehow he shook his defender and put him on his back.

I agree the loss of Montgomery handicapped us badly. But why GB can't see that Adams is junk is beyond me.

I'd be fine going into next season without him all together.

[Bretsky]

I don't get the point of this paragraph. Are you suggesting TT should have drafted Reed in 2013? Someone other than Rodgers in 2014? In 2013, they still had Finley for the first 6 games. To get Reed, the Packers would have had to take him instead of Lacy in the second round. He was already gone by the Packers pick in the third, which they traded. In 2014 there was a run on TEs ealy in the draft. Ebron was gone before the Packers took HHCD, and three others went in the second before GB took Adams. Green Bay could have taken any of those three in the first instead of HHCD, or could have taken Fiedorowicz in the second instead of Adams. When GB took Rodgers, they could have had Gilmore, who went to the Ravens on the very next pick. After that, no TEs were taken until the 5th and 7th rounds. It was reported the Packers had interest in many of the TEs, but with the rush on TEs early in the 2nd round, there wasn't much left to pick from for the Packers. Rodgers was the 6th TE taken.

I'm not suggesting Rodgers will ever be the elusive target Reed is. It doesn't appear that he will. On the other hand, in his second year, Reed had 50 receptions for 465 yards. Rodgers in his second year had 58 for 510. Finley exceeded 58 receptions just once, in 2012 with 61. Again, I'm not suggesting that Rodgers will ever be the dynamic type of receiver that Finley was, I don't see that ever happening. But I'm not yet sure where and how Rodgers will ultimately fit in next year as a 3rd year player and thereafter. Last year he averaged 11.3 yards/rec. This year, the entire passing offense is way down in average,not just Rodgers. Basically, Rodgers will get little more than the yards the throw covers, but he seems to get open somewhat and catches most of the ones he should. It would be nice if he had the elusiveness of some others, but he doesn't. He can still be serviceable, however.

Is he suggesting Reed was very worthy of being picked there........and RR was not ?

[Bretsky]

He has had several in just the recent games, and seemed to get benched by MM after one, much likes Starks after his last fumble. That is why I said drops or injury might limit his opportunities.

He has too many but he has good hands. How MM benches Abby so quickly and has sunk numerous times with Adams is pretty hyprocritical

[texaspackerbacker]

Its the scramble drill offense. They expect the ball to go to the receiver Rodgers identifies in pre-snap. If because of Rodgers malfunction or O line malfunction (or poor receiver route) that isn't open, then he needs time to reset. And that hadn't been happening for quite a while.

The more I think about it, the more I think Defenses figured out Rodgers offense.

Running was great. What was best was pass protection.

I strongly suggest it's the O Line. Rodgers isn't scrambling because he likes it; He's running for his life - and to make the play succeed. The receivers also are simply doing what they have to do. It's an exaggeration to say they aren't running patterns at all, but it's certainly true that by the time they finish the route as planned, 8 or 9 times out of 10, Rodgers is in no position to get them the ball. You know, it hasn't been that much different for quite a few years with this O Line. The bulk of the problems began when Denver figured out how to jam up the receivers and/or how to keep Rodgers bottled up instead of escaping the pocket.

All of that aside, there seemed to be a glimmer of hope in the second half against Washington. Our O Line wasn't good by any stretch, but they were just a little less bad. Is that glimmer of hope is enough to beat Arizona? I guess we'll find out. I don't think the Cardinals are as good as they played against us last time, and we are very likely better. It's gonna be an uphill battle, though.

[Patler]

I agree the loss of Montgomery handicapped us badly. But why GB can't see that Adams is junk is beyond me.

I'd be fine going into next season without him all together.

Isn't it a little bit early to give up on a player who is two full years younger than Abbrederis? Let's give the kid a chance to mature at least a little before throwing in the towel. He has had a rough year. The entire offense has had a rough year. Did Adams look that bad last year?

[Bretsky]

Isn't it a little bit early to give up on a player who is two full years younger than Abbrederis? Let's give the kid a chance to mature at least a little before throwing in the towel. He has had a rough year. The entire offense has had a rough year. Did Adams look that bad last year?

No, he did not look that bad; but he didn't look good either. His production was down until a flurry at end of year. And then the kool aide came out for this year when Jordy went down. But you are right; gotta give him one more year and with him being drafted where he is reality is he'll get 2.