Where do we go from here?

[Cheesehead Craig]

There needs to be some fresh ideas for this offense to come in from outside the organization. Whether that means Clements had to go or a co-OC comes in I don't know. But far too often the pass offense seems to be primarily Rodgers buying time and then somebody trying to get open because the routes were shit. It just looks like some schoolyard crap.

The Pack also have to get some speed in the backfield. Fat Kid can't go outside and has no agility and Starks has big time ball security issues. We need more than that in the backfield.

[Rastak]

The Vikings were a darn good team this year. All they need to do is show they are legit over the long term. The NFC Central has had a lot of teams flash for a year or two, then disappear again. A few years ago, even the Lions looked like the team of the future with a good young QB, a solid foundation on defense, etc. I never worried a lot, because which ever team it was, the Vikings, Bears or Lions seemed to have won on more than their share of good fortune, or seemed to need key players with career years to do it. With Schwartz and others I felt the head coaches might be their undoing over the long term.

Unfortunately for the Packers, I have none of those reservations about the Vikings right now. I think they are legit, with their biggest concern having to be how long they can ride AP before evolving away from him. I think they have a good staff for developing the team long term.

They gotta fix their offensive line or they will never be better than 11-5. (I joke, but that is really the main problem).

[Rastak]

my dog predicted Fitzgerald would score the winning TD. Good dog! (or bad dog!?)

You gotta train him on the stock market, could payoff big. I might start with football with my dog then see how he understand financials.

[red]

There needs to be some fresh ideas for this offense to come in from outside the organization. Whether that means Clements had to go or a co-OC comes in I don't know. But far too often the pass offense seems to be primarily Rodgers buying time and then somebody trying to get open because the routes were shit. It just looks like some schoolyard crap.

The Pack also have to get some speed in the backfield. Fat Kid can't go outside and has no agility and Starks has big time ball security issues. We need more than that in the backfield.

that might be the best thing we could do

so fine, we let fat mike keep his job again even though he's suppose to be the brains behind the offense, and they sucked this year.

can clements, he's nothing to this team

have edgar go back to being the WR coach, shit was run right when he was coaching those guys

then go find someone new out there to be the OC, maybe a college coach, something different. someone with freash ideas that can maybe help add some life to the team, if fat mike doesn't smother it first

i'm thinking like a chip kelly type (not chip kelly, but someone a long those lines) someone with some new ideas

[pbmax]

Even more mysterious when listening to MM. At least two times earlier this year, one when Janis had the long plays early in the season, and again last night MM said Janis has a lot of talent, and just needs to play more. Well, then.............PLAY HIM MORE! My gosh, MM is the one who makes those decisions. If MM believed that all Janis needed was to play more, why didn't MM play him more?

Janis showed again last night, he doesn't always look smooth doing it, but given opportunities he makes a lot of things happen. He had four long receptions and two long PI calls in very limited opportunities this year.

Yes. There is the downside of not doing what he is supposed to on his routes which affects coverages and other receivers. But if keeps making plays, you need to adjust. Especially this year that should have been a goal.

At first it was as though they wanted Adams, then Monty healthy rather than adjust. Eventually, they had no choices left.

But I am still not sure the QB wanted him out there for most of the season. I think the RodgersO vs. McCarthyO is an issue at times like this.

[pbmax]

They aren't going to change offenses with Rodgers still here unless McCarthy is shown the door.

Just like I think Solari had a positive effect on the ground game (especially screens), one assistant can bring some different things.

[woodbuck27]

glad to see theres other smart open minded people on the board

red...Do you realize the cost of 'Must Be soft' toilet tissue these days?

It's cost efficient to simply wad a bunch around your fist and stuff it in place and anyway.....there's enough shit emanated from elsewhere.

red:

Did you get your annual subscription filled for the News Letter >>>"Praise TT and MM'?

For the life of me I cannot find a thing on that using Goggle.

[Bossman641]

Geez, watching lacys rookie highlights vs this year sure is eye opening. Hopefully this year was a wake up call for him

[wist43]

Nothing will change - TT and MM are what they are. A leopard doesn't change his spots.

TT will continue to plod along thru the draft without much regard for plugging holes or moving around to find difference makers. We will get 7-25 "good football players" thru the draft and no FA's.

How they roster the OL won't change - it has been that way since they got here. Run blocking offensive linemen?? we don't need no run blocking offensive linemen!! The running game will remain the same.

Special Teams will continue to be caught unawares, and otherwise be unspectacular.

And dunderdummy will continue to be dunderdummy.

Rinse, repeat.

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In the meantime, the clock is ticking on Rodgers, and we're likely to lose some decent FA's with no one of consequence to fill the holes.

The division is Minnesota's to lose next year... I see us taking another step back next year.

[Deputy Nutz]

I have said from day one that Rodgers is a tight ass with the football who would rather take sacks, run out of the pocket, or throw the ball out of bounds before attacking the tight Windows. He has never ever liked throwing the slant pattern that Favre killed with his final year in Green Bay. Rodger has a strong arm when throwing the ball down field but he doesn't have the ability or maybe the confidence to throw a ball with velocity in a tight spot. Look at the fourth down incompletion in the fourth quarter, he skipped to Jones. Rodgers struggles to attack the middle of the field unless the play becomes broken, he likes his stats, he likes his QB rating. Aaron Rodgers is front runner who creates fantastic stats against lesser opponents and when his team has the out right lead. He is not a QB I want to lead my team when the game is close.

[Deputy Nutz]

That being said Rodgers needs guys around him to make plays, like all the back shoulder throws last year. You didn't see one of those this year. Rodgers lost his accuracy because he lost faith in his targets and lost faith in his arm.

[Smidgeon]

I don't think its the QB. I think its the design of the offense. This has been developing for a while. Nelson helps mask it, but good Defenses are now normally able to slow them WAY down.

I am not on red's bandwagon, but something does need to change on O.

I was discussing with my brother earlier: Belicheck's offense fits Brady's skills perfectly, thus the success. M3's offense fits Rodgers skills good, but not great. With Rodgers' accuracy falling off and his legs starting to go as he gets older, I suppose there's a little up in the air as to what he does do well. Needs some refocusing, I guess.

But M3's offense is good, maybe great, but it isn't perfect.

[Smidgeon]

Even more mysterious when listening to MM. At least two times earlier this year, one when Janis had the long plays early in the season, and again last night MM said Janis has a lot of talent, and just needs to play more. Well, then.............PLAY HIM MORE! My gosh, MM is the one who makes those decisions. If MM believed that all Janis needed was to play more, why didn't MM play him more?

Janis showed again last night, he doesn't always look smooth doing it, but given opportunities he makes a lot of things happen. He had four long receptions and two long PI calls in very limited opportunities this year.

Honestly, it's somewhat wild that Janis catches so few passes but they all end up as massive plays. You just need to get someone like that on the field more. The bad routes are worth the 61 yard catches on 4th and 20 and the hail mary TDs.

[woodbuck27]

Geez, watching lacys rookie highlights vs this year sure is eye opening. Hopefully this year was a wake up call for him

Hopefully MM and the Coach responsible for the RB position will reach Eddie Lacy this off season.

It became perfectly clear on his long breaking run that he ran out of gas. You had to seen that lacy wqasn't going to close the deal and six on that run.

Does MM have to ensure oxygen on the sidelines for any Packer that's in less than tip top physical strength?

Hasn't this aid of precaution been in place in the past?

I'm trying to understand why MM ignored more and James Starks Vs Arizona. He looked good... when his number........ was ......called.

On how many other plays did Head Coach and self positioned strategist and play caller, Mike McCarthy ... go to any other RB's (not named Lacy or Starks) ? Did MM do enough in Packer practises and game preperation to be prepared to use those alternatives?

Thus >>>Allow that contribution as ' his tool box has a potentially known value' other tools option?

[mraynrand]

Rodgers struggles to attack the middle of the field unless the play becomes broken, he likes his stats, he likes his QB rating.

Do you think he bases his throws on traditional QBR during the games or does he use that ESPN rating? I suspect the latter. Probably the running computation of his QBR is throwing off his game. Maybe the Packers could hire a QBR/stat guy to take the pressure off Rodgers and more quickly suggest passes and strategies that optimize his stats. They could cleverly sneak in plays designed to win over the plays Rodgers chooses to pad his stats.