More Banjo: Division Playoffs @ Cardinals

[Bossman641]

Anyone have a memory of the 2 point tries during the year? I'm wondering if they were in legit do or die situations or if they occurred when we were down 2+ scores and the defense had let up. Obviously the defense never wants the offense to score, but it's tough to play prevent and give up a TD and then flip the switch and become more aggressive on the 2 point try.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Anyone have a memory of the 2 point tries during the year? I'm wondering if they were in legit do or die situations or if they occurred when we were down 2+ scores and the defense had let up. Obviously the defense never wants the offense to score, but it's tough to play prevent and give up a TD and then flip the switch and become more aggressive on the 2 point try.

That argument cuts both ways. If the game is out of hand, why should the offense try hard on a 2 point conversion? The Steelers converted a 2 pointer yesterday in the playoffs. Big Ben made it look easy.

[Fritz]

Rand and Maxie might be happy to note that I have come around on the 2 point call and agree now that it was probably the wiser course of action.

Part of what turned me around was the dismissal of this suggestion by Tom Oates who said, paraphrasing:



So don't trust an offense that was 5 of 6 in 2 point conversions, but trust the offense to drive from their 25 to the opponents 35 (50 yards) for a FG or 75 yard touchdown drive after a desultory second half performance. Does he really expect a third Hail Mary?

I am firmly on the side of going for two, and was shouting for MM to do it.

First, you could see the defense was getting gassed in the fourth quarter.

Secondly, even if you won the toss and your mostly-lame offense got down the field, you likely get a FG and Arizona gets the ball back.

Third, even in OT, somebody's got to make a play for you to win. Why not take the ball on the two-and-a-half yard line, and put it in the hands of your best player? That seems better odds that asking him to start with the O from his own twenty.

Sure, it's hindsight, but I was calling for it at the time, too. Your team had the momentum, and had a chance to win the game. You're getting the ball right down on the goal line. That's as good as you can possibly hope for. I still don't get what MM was thinking there.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I am firmly on the side of going for two, and was shouting for MM to do it.

First, you could see the defense was getting gassed in the fourth quarter.

Secondly, even if you won the toss and your mostly-lame offense got down the field, you likely get a FG and Arizona gets the ball back.

Third, even in OT, somebody's got to make a play for you to win. Why not take the ball on the two-and-a-half yard line, and put it in the hands of your best player? That seems better odds that asking him to start with the O from his own twenty.

Sure, it's hindsight, but I was calling for it at the time, too. Your team had the momentum, and had a chance to win the game. You're getting the ball right down on the goal line. That's as good as you can possibly hope for. I still don't get what MM was thinking there.

He WASN'T thinking...at least he wasn't thinking out of the box. Stubby has new school, conservative DNA. He's just not comfortable playing a hunch.

He's like the baseball Manager needing a hit with two outs in the bottom of the ninth who will pinch hit for Jimmy Gantner solely because there's a lefty on the mound.

[Freak Out]

I just had that sinking feeling the game would end the same way it did last year in SEA....the offense never touches the ball in OT and you lose. Why not win it on the last play of the fuckiing game!?!?!? Stubby may be a good coach but he is a fucking coward.

[Freak Out]

....and anyone who doesn't agree with me is either stupid or a coward.

[pbmax]

Interesting situation. Packers were poor all year on 3rd down and 2 or less, yet they were 5 of 6 on 2 point conversions. Did MM approach the two situations differently? Going for 2 never occurred to me at the time, but I can see the argument for going for 2.

Every 2 point conversion since 2010 has been a pass. Overall, he is 7 for 14 in that span. That includes 5 for 6 this year.

[Freak Out]

Every 2 point conversion since 2010 has been a pass. Overall, he is 7 for 14 in that span. That includes 5 for 6 this year.

50 percent? I'll take those odds. The same as a coin flip right? Not in the NFL!

[woodbuck27]

....and anyone who doesn't agree with me is either stupid or a coward.

or.... doesn't have a clue and sports and how to NOT pass up the Golden Goose of an opportunity.

If we had a poll on this question:

Packerats would rally over their MM Love and agree that MM was correct in electing to extend that game into another OT walk 'into the Rabbit Hole'.

He had one thing to do there and it wasn't anything else but seal then deal right then and there.

Where in hell is MM's confidence in his offence led by his 25 Million Dollar Man when he went for what....'justv ab fricken tie'. Come on strap on a pair Mike? Where does your Irish go to? Italy !??

It is what it is Packerrats>>>> another Classic as Mike McCarthy will always give you >>> CHOKE !

Another tight ass pass on a splendid gift to win. When his 'O' had that power with the ball and in so close.

That missed opportunity will in the end haunt MM for a long long time. It's really sad how very blind the MM lovers are here. Blind to any manner...... of common sense and reason.

Run that Poll for Packer Nation and I'd confidently predict that the results would be down on MM blowing it and NOT firing on all cylinders RE: confidence that the two point conversion was the prudent call.

This is such a no brainer. Such a no brainer I feel sad that any member of Packerrats dispels it as such.

[Pugger]

50 percent? I'll take those odds. The same as a coin flip right? Not in the NFL!

But if you don't get the conversion the coin flip is meaningless. Had we won the toss and scored we wouldn't be talking about this.

[mraynrand]

But if you don't get the conversion the coin flip is meaningless. Had we won the toss and scored we wouldn't be talking about this.

sure, but a three and out, short punt, three passes and an AZ FG to win was pretty likely too.

[Pugger]

or doesn't have a clue and sports and how to NOT pass up the Golden Goose of an opportunity.

If we had a poll on this question:

Packerats would rally over their MM Love and agree that MM wqas correct in electing to extend that ghame into another OT walk into the Rabbit hole.

He had one thing to do there and it wasn't anything else but seal then deal right then and there.

Wheren in hellis MM's confidence in his offence led by his 25 Million Dollar Man?

It is what it is Packerats>

Another tight ass pass on a splendid gift to win when his 'O' had that power with the ball and in so close.

That missed opportunity will in the end haunt MM for a long long time. It's really sad how very blind the MM lovers are here.

Run that Poll for Packer nation and I'd confidently predict that the results would be down on MM.

This is such a no brainer.

Especially with 20/20 hindsight.

[Pugger]

sure, but a three and out, short punt, three passes and an AZ FG to win was pretty likely too.

Where is the confidence in this juggernaut offense? You all assume we make the 2 pointer. An extra point with Crosby is a surer thing than going for 2 IMO.

[woodbuck27]

But if you don't get the conversion the coin flip is meaningless. Had we won the toss and scored we wouldn't be talking about this.

MM calls the 2 point play and we might well have won with such favourable circumstances in OUR favor.

His side had the ball...use that dagger and shove it in their throats.

Be aggressive and not stretch that game into whatever unknown (s).

Get errrr done then and there....too easy to call.

[mraynrand]

Where is the confidence in this juggernaut offense? You all assume we make the 2 pointer. An extra point with Crosby is a surer thing than going for 2 IMO.

I don't assume at all. I just like the odds of scoring from the 2 on one play better than winning in OT. My view is no different than it was right after the TD score.