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  • #16
    McCarthy is a good coach. It would be foolish to dump him IMO, unless there's something really egregious he's done, or he's lost the locker room. I don't think either of those is the case.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by denverYooper View Post
      Keep flipping the coin and eventually you get heads a few times in a row.
      That's what the refs do when the Packers call 'tails'
      "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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      • #18
        Originally posted by red View Post
        who the hell was mike mccarthy before we signed him?

        an average OC that no one wanted

        theres a ton of guys out there, the next great coach might be someone you never heard of before he signs for us
        There are. Here is such a list from 2006:

        Buffalo Bills – Dick Jauron; replaced Mike Mularkey, who resigned after the 2005 season
        Detroit Lions – Rod Marinelli; replaced interim head coach Dick Jauron who replaced Steve Mariucci who was fired following Thanksgiving Day during the 2005 season.
        Green Bay Packers – Mike McCarthy; replaced Mike Sherman
        Houston Texans – Gary Kubiak; replaced Dom Capers
        Kansas City Chiefs – Herman Edwards; replaced Dick Vermeil who retired following the 2005 season
        Minnesota Vikings – Brad Childress; replaced Mike Tice
        New Orleans Saints – Sean Payton; replaced Jim Haslett
        New York Jets – Eric Mangini; replaced Herman Edwards
        Oakland Raiders – Art Shell; replaced Norv Turner
        St. Louis Rams – Scott Linehan;

        2 out of 10 succeeded. You could, though I would not, add in Kubiak given his success in Denver. But that seems kinda stopgap to me.
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #19
          If I have one criticism of Ted, its not FA. Its a comment of his from a long time ago and reaffirmed last year that the coaching staff was McCarthy's purview and Ted did not like to meddle. It is belied a bit by the GM admitting he had his hand in helping hire Assistant Coaches in 2006.

          Messing with the Assistant Coaches in an ongoing regime is dangerous because it can set the organization against itself. But Thompson should, if he is not, set improvement standards in certain areas with heads rolling if those improvements aren't forthcoming.

          He may have done so in regard to Defensive coaches after 2008. He might have do so with ST two years ago (hence the subsequent Slocum firing a year later) and possibly last year regarding game management.

          I would love Ted to step in and demand better results from WR this offseason.
          Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by red View Post
            who the hell was mike mccarthy before we signed him?

            an average OC that no one wanted

            theres a ton of guys out there, the next great coach might be someone you never heard of before he signs for us
            Sure, but what are the odds we find someone better than MM? Low in my opinion, given I view him as a top 5 coach in a 30 team league. What, exactly, what the coaching problem this season? Sure, we under performed a bit in the regular season, but do you think the end result would be any different if we didn't?

            Did the team not come in insanely well prepared and play tough against a tremendous team? I thought MM coached his ass off for this one.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by red View Post
              who the hell was mike mccarthy before we signed him?

              an average OC that no one wanted

              theres a ton of guys out there, the next great coach might be someone you never heard of before he signs for us
              Solid points all. But it is never a sure thing on these hires. Is your next choice another McCarthy or the next Rich Kotite? Predicting who hits their level of incompetence where is imprecise.

              If this team was 6-10 and missed the playoffs 2-3 years in a row, then you can M3, no doubt.

              But they are perennially playoff bound, the players still play hard, generally. Gambling on an unknown quantity when the known quantity gets us to the playoffs every year is unwise, IMO.

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              • #22
                The Eagles under Andy Reid was an example of a coach that took his team to the playoffs year after year. They made it to the Super Bowl one time and had 3 losing seasons between 1999 and 2012. One of those was his first season and one was his last season. He was fired and immediately found employment with Kansas City where he's been to the playoffs the last two years. How did that work out for the Eagles?

                McCarthy has made the playoffs 7 straight years, and has had one losing season. He has one Super Bowl appearance as well as 3 NFC championship game appearances. His record is rivaled only by Belichik, although Reid, Harbaugh, Tomlin, and Carroll are probably considered coaches on his level.

                My opinion would be that every coach is one season away from losing their job, but I believe we've got one of the good ones and we would be hard pressed to find another that could equal his success.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by call_me_ishmael View Post
                  Sure, but what are the odds we find someone better than MM? Low in my opinion, given I view him as a top 5 coach in a 30 team league. What, exactly, what the coaching problem this season? Sure, we under performed a bit in the regular season, but do you think the end result would be any different if we didn't?

                  Did the team not come in insanely well prepared and play tough against a tremendous team? I thought MM coached his ass off for this one.
                  I agree. I thought the team last night was as well prepared as any I've ever seen. They had a great game plan and almost pulled it off. I still wish Stubby would have gone for 2.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #24
                    It's no secret that stubby is not my favorite. That said I don't think they would be any better off without him. He definitely needs some better tools to do his job with, both players and coaches.

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                    • #25
                      Right. Streamline the offensive side of things. Get more speed on both sides of the ball and we are good to go.

                      Oh, and get Aaron's head right.

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                      • #26
                        Hard to be on McCarthy after last night's game. Almost everybody thought they'd get beat, even moreso after Cobb got injured in the first quarter. If Shields makes that last pick or Peppers doesn't decide to vacate his zone in OT, we'd likely be talking about what a phenomenal job McCarthy did with the team at the end. Quite honestly, the coaching changes didn't work--except with special teams (but mostly because of better players). McCarthy needs to go back to the drawing board. Worry less about advancing his coaches career and put them back to where they are most effective.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                          Hard to be on McCarthy after last night's game. Almost everybody thought they'd get beat, even moreso after Cobb got injured in the first quarter. If Shields makes that last pick or Peppers doesn't decide to vacate his zone in OT, we'd likely be talking about what a phenomenal job McCarthy did with the team at the end. Quite honestly, the coaching changes didn't work--except with special teams (but mostly because of better players). McCarthy needs to go back to the drawing board. Worry less about advancing his coaches career and put them back to where they are most effective.
                          To me, this is the biggest question of the offseason. Can he basically give his coaches a demotion without the coaches losing respect in the eyes of the players? Or does he need to put together an entirely new offensive staff if he wants to make changes? Can he just turn back the clock, or does he need a new clock?
                          I can't run no more
                          With that lawless crowd
                          While the killers in high places
                          Say their prayers out loud
                          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                          A thundercloud
                          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                          • #28
                            Firing McCarthy would be as dumb a decision as picking Mandarich over Sanders. Sure, Stubby ain't the best coach in the NFL...but he's a hell of a lot closer to it than most other teams have. He more or less got the special teams fixed this year...took him way too long, but he got it done. He did the smart thing giving the defense to Capers and leaving him the hell alone...again, Capers ain't the best DC in the league but he's better than average and changing schemes every 3 years just for the sake of it is fruitless.

                            I have yet to hear any of the "Fire McCarthy" guys give any concrete examples of who would take up the mantle and lead us to 5 consecutive titles. When Chip Kelly is one of the bigger names available at this point, there is NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL you replace McCarthy.
                            It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                            • #29
                              I don't want MM fired, but for those of you citing Andy Reid and the like forget that we have the best QB in the NFL. Pretty much any okay coach can be successful with him (see the Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, Jim Caldwell succession).

                              The bigger problem is TT's inexplicable unwillingness to fill those final roster holes, which then bite us in the ass. The perplexing thing is that he's great otherwise. But this year, a TE worth anything would've opened things up considerably, and maybe we have HFA then. ILB held us back last year. Year before was S. Before that, OLB.

                              I wonder if Wolf/Schneider can draft as well?

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                              • #30
                                This question is more about Capers he is the coach I am really not sold on, the question I have coming into the end of the 3 or beging the 4th quarter he always starts playing loose which allows the other teams to start catching us unless one of our guys makes a fantastic play and gets a take away but seams every time he starts playing loose so early they come back and either beat us or make us really turn it back on at the end of the 4th just to get a chance at holding on to a game we could have wraped up early , So my question really is I guess doses he do it on purpose because are guys are out of shape and cant make it through 4 quarters or Capers brain is fried and cant stay focused for 4 quarters?

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