Here come the articles about replacing McCarthy

[th87]

Didn't even take a day.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...365591411.html

Interesting fact found in the article:


D'Amato asks this question:


I would answer with another question: how many did BB win with his own teams from from 2005 until last year, teams that had Tom Brady as their QB, teams that had even better records that MM's teams, including one that was 16-0. The answer is 0 until last year. Does D'Amato think the Packers have been better the past 10 years, or that Rodgers has been better than Brady?

People act like Belichick wins the SB every other year.

Comparing BB and MM is like Michael Jordan to James Harden.

Right before your arbitrary cutoff point, BB had won 3 of the previous 4 SBs, so he already had some leeway. He then followed it with an AFCCG appearance two years later, and an undefeated season/SB appearance the following year, which was only derailed by a miraculous helmet catch. The following year, Brady was lost for the season, and two years after that, another SB appearance with another miracle catch derailing it. This was then followed by consecutive AFCCG appearances, a SB victory, and now another AFCCG appearance (at least).

It is absurd to even put that in the same sentence as an NFCCG appearance, a SB victory three years later, and an NFCCG appearance 4 years later, and that's it. Tom Coughlin has a more impressive resume with a doofus at QB.

[mraynrand]

I don't want MM fired, but for those of you citing Andy Reid and the like forget that we have the best QB in the NFL. Pretty much any okay coach can be successful with him (see the Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, Jim Caldwell succession).

Except that's a chicken/egg kinda deal. Is Rodgers this great QB that just dropped into Stubby's lap, or did Stubby have a lot to do with his development and success, especially considering offensive design? I believe the latter. Maybe Rodgers is such a hard driver that he would have been successful anywhere, but maybe elsewhere he doesn't correct his Tedford mechanics, doesn't get a good scheme/good coaching and flames out. We'll never know, and we'll only know more about Stubby if he sticks around long enough to develop and trot out the next guy.

[mraynrand]

Comparing BB and MM is like Michael Jordan to James Harden.

Right before your arbitrary cutoff point, BB had won 3 of the previous 4 SBs, so he already had some leeway. He then followed it with an AFCCG appearance two years later, and an undefeated season/SB appearance the following year, which was only derailed by a miraculous helmet catch. The following year, Brady was lost for the season, and two years after that, another SB appearance with another miracle catch derailing it. This was then followed by consecutive AFCCG appearances, a SB victory, and now another AFCCG appearance (at least).

It is absurd to even put that in the same sentence as an NFCCG appearance, a SB victory three years later, and an NFCCG appearance 4 years later, and that's it. Tom Coughlin has a more impressive resume with a doofus at QB.

Coughlin's resume overall really isn't great compared to Stubby, except for the two head-to-head playoff wins.

I'll say it again, if your requirement for Stubby is that he be the best coach in the history of the league, or he's dead to you, you're likely to be disappointed.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Sure, but what are the odds we find someone better than MM? Low in my opinion, given I view him as a top 5 coach in a 30 team league. What, exactly, what the coaching problem this season? Sure, we under performed a bit in the regular season, but do you think the end result would be any different if we didn't?

Did the team not come in insanely well prepared and play tough against a tremendous team? I thought MM coached his ass off for this one.

Except for the 2 point call....

[George Cumby]

^ one of which involved the brain dead hill billy tanking the game.

[ThunderDan]

Is it possible to get defeated before the final play of a game?

Yes, they are talking about walk-off victories. Last play of the game the opponent scores and the game is over.

[Patler]

Except that's a chicken/egg kinda deal. Is Rodgers this great QB that just dropped into Stubby's lap, or did Stubby have a lot to do with his development and success, especially considering offensive design? I believe the latter. Maybe Rodgers is such a hard driver that he would have been successful anywhere, but maybe elsewhere he doesn't correct his Tedford mechanics, doesn't get a good scheme/good coaching and flames out. We'll never know, and we'll only know more about Stubby if he sticks around long enough to develop and trot out the next guy.

Matt Flynn's success in GB and complete flame out everywhere else supports your analysis. Now some will counter with arguments that Flynn: a) never had a chance in some of his stops and/or b) was injured. Don't really know for sure which it is, but if Hundley becomes Rodgers II we will have still more info to consider.

[George Cumby]

Had AR been drafted by the Niners instead of Alex Smith how would he have fared? Not nearly so well. That time as 4's understudy was critical to his development.

[call_me_ishmael]

Patler, you have a very apt take on this article. Great point with BB.

[woodbuck27]

Except for the 2 point call....

It's again right there....it's entirely unrealistic to ignore this opportunity that was clearly in MM's grasp to realize as a great shot to win that game and he again...elected the easy way..and a tie and all that goes in terms of the unknown and added pressure of OT.

He again as the Packer HC (called a play) that ignored a tremendous advantage and opportunity.

He coughed up 'the CHOKE'.

AS a result again...'in the BIG Game' he was 'the LOSER'.

By the popular consensus of this board....I humbly submit:

Let's 'just go' with MM and that.

[mraynrand]

^^^ I disagree. It's not a choke to play for OT.

[Striker]

You can't dump MM after this season. They're not too far off, though there should be some urgency/heat under his seat that they need to have a better year in 2016. Especially since we'll be back at full strength and playing a 2nd place schedule (which on paper looks stupid simple).

[mraynrand]

You can't dump MM after this season. They're not too far off, though there should be some urgency/heat under his seat that they need to have a better year in 2016. Especially since we'll be back at full strength and playing a 2nd place schedule (which on paper looks stupid simple).

the difference is we play Seattle and Atlanta instead of Arizona and Carolina. Right now that sure looks better...

[Striker]

the difference is we play Seattle and Atlanta instead of Arizona and Carolina. Right now that sure looks better...

And we get Seattle at home again, which is good. Maybe we'll get them in some -5 degree game. Before they have to go home and then cross country for one of their 3 east coast trips.

[woodbuck27]

^^^ I disagree. It's not a choke to play for OT.

Of course you would.