Here come the articles about replacing McCarthy

[mraynrand]

mike fucking mccarthy smart ass

at least not yet anyways

he's been fired from lower jobs, but you're right, he's golden as the head man. Must be doing something right

[mraynrand]

maybe he didn't get another shot at being a head coach in the NFL because people just didn't think he was a very good coach?

Sure. Why would you bring in the guy who was torpedoed twice from GB, and was .500 at A&M? That's not the guy who is gonna get you a championship. Shermy was a good coach for GB though.Worse than Holmy, Stubby, Lombardi, and Curly for sure, but better than a lot of others. Hey, maybe he's just kinda average.

[ThunderDan]

Well, if you need to step down two levels to get a job, that doesn't make you a more attractive candidate, that we can agree.

But I still think some teams don't want to hire a possible future replacement for the person currently making decisions. If you are the GM or HC of a struggling team, do you want to put your possible replacement on the current roster of coaches?

It could be that leaving for college represented Sherm realizing he wasn't going to get a second chance, but he is also very loyal, so following in RC Slocum's footsteps might have mattered more.

Regardless, still think he was an above average coach and the fact that 20 struggling franchises made another in a long line of bad decisions doesn't change my opinion of him. I did not want him to continue with the Packers for many reasons, but his basic competency as a HC wasn't the issue.


*When Slocum gets auto corrected, it changes to Slouch.

I liked Sherman the coach and thought he was doing a good job.

But Sherman the GM left him with the cupboard bare. Too many reaches to file holes that didn't work. Trading up to grab a punter who couldn't out kick the guy who use to be a bartender. Keeping two punters on the roster because he was afraid of losing his punter who couldn't beat out the bartender.

I think at one time there were only 3 players on the roster of year 4-8 vets from Sherman's time as GM once TT took over. It was Wells and a couple other. It was horrible.

[beveaux1]

Saw another article that addresses D'Amato's article. http://thebiglead.com/2016/01/18/no-...-packers-loss/

[wpony]

Like I stated in another thread I was very proud of how the packers pulled together this yr fought through the injuries and still played a great game against the cards of course we all wish the score card was reversed but cant have everything Like it has been stated there is so many teams out there that would love to have MM on there team coaching probably over 20 teams but I believe his bigist weakness his not getting rid of coachs under him even when they are not doing the job and let the team and fans suffer for a few yrs till he has no choice but to get rid of them

2. I know all the announcers out there are saying how good Dom Capers is ,maybe he is that good at drawing it up on the table but as soon as he gets it out there on the field and they start doing things with there offense that Dom wasnt ready for its like he goes right into that deer in the headlight stare or what even worse going into the 3rd quarter we haveeven a 10 point lead and we have to play them soft dont want them getting a easy touchdown there do we dom????????????????????????

3 . I just think we have a realy good head coach thats to good to his friends and needs thompson to come down to him and say you take care of your coachs mike make them work or I will have to be the one making changes.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Saw another article that addresses D'Amato's article. http://thebiglead.com/2016/01/18/no-...-packers-loss/

Glasspiegel misses the obvious point: the buck stops at Stubby's flat feet.

If the Pack had won, Stubby would have received all credit for getting his team ready to play and win against a home team with superior talent. Now that they lost, he must accept the lion's share of the blame. Period. He's in charge. He gets the heat.

And he can't deflect that heat by blaming his assistant coaches for faulty game plans or inexperienced players for not being prepared or inadequate playcallers for not being adequate or WR's for not having a coach dedicated to their position or for the offense wasting time outs and Eddie Lacy for being fat and Aaron Rodgers for not being comfortable with some WR's or WR for not getting open or injuries or bad ball bounces for disrupting his grand plan.

Glasspiegel says Stubby is not Belicheat. That's stating the obvious. But does that fact mean Stubby's methods are immune to criticism?

Results matter. That's another fact of life. Stubby himself has said since the beginning of the season that his goal is to be the best, to win the Super Bowl. Well, he didn't. And it's fair to ask: Why not? What went wrong?

[3irty1]

To be consistent with what I voted in the "TT, MM, Rodgers, Other" thread about why we suck, MM deserves the lion's share of this years misfortunes. Really more blame than even Capers could ever have deserved in any one of the recent seasons where the defense performed below expectations. This isn't just because he's an offensive-guru head coach, but because he's also the authority these players report to. We had multiple players regress this season and MM cultivates the culture where that kind of thing either happens or doesn't.

Perhaps there is a great coordinator out there who is the next HOF head coach, but to even interview them you'd have to commit to firing MM. The risk so thoroughly outweighs the potential reward that this would be a truly awful move. The risk is a team-stunting regime change every few years and the same kind of irrelevance that comes with that. There are 4 other acting head coaches right now I'd consider upgrades to MM and I don't even think I'd swap for them because they have their own risk factors and would come at the cost of continuity. He's not bullet-proof or beyond criticism but its just reactionary fan-rage to lose perspective and call for his head at this point.

[Maxie the Taxi]

To be consistent with what I voted in the "TT, MM, Rodgers, Other" thread about why we suck, MM deserves the lion's share of this years misfortunes. Really more blame than even Capers could ever have deserved in any one of the recent seasons where the defense performed below expectations. This isn't just because he's an offensive-guru head coach, but because he's also the authority these players report to. We had multiple players regress this season and MM cultivates the culture where that kind of thing either happens or doesn't.

Perhaps there is a great coordinator out there who is the next HOF head coach, but to even interview them you'd have to commit to firing MM. The risk so thoroughly outweighs the potential reward that this would be a truly awful move. The risk is a team-stunting regime change every few years and the same kind of irrelevance that comes with that. There are 4 other acting head coaches right now I'd consider upgrades to MM and I don't even think I'd swap for them because they have their own risk factors and would come at the cost of continuity. He's not bullet-proof or beyond criticism but its just reactionary fan-rage to lose perspective and call for his head at this point.

I don't disagree with you, but I hope the media keeps asking questions and applying the heat.

[esoxx]

^^^ Agree. Stubby merits some heat.

[woodbuck27]

^^^ Agree. Stubby merits some heat.

Unless you don't care about the immediate future of the Green Bay Packers.

GO PACK GO !

[texaspackerbacker]

Somebody kidnapped TPB. Who the heck are you? You were a fierce defender of Packerdom, but it looks like last year's loss has caused you to change your views.

Which is fine.

I like anyone who is willing to change his or her opinion in the face of new information.

What mind changing? I've always said Ted Thompson got lucky with Rodgers and has done a poor job of maximizing things. True, the list ticked off by Hoosier of successes in later rounds, but missing on so many #1 picks, just imagine where we could be with successes in place of even half of those failures - and most of those failures were predictable at the time of the draft in the eyes of a lot of people. As for McCarthy, yeah, I guess I've changed my mind there, but arguably, the change is with McCarthy himself. We won big time with an extreme Pass-First attack, even with a very porous defense. Imagine how unstoppable we would have been the Super Bowl year and the 15-1 year if we had a defense like now. Now, we have that defense, and what does McCarthy do? He yields to the people crying for more of a Run-First attack - wasting downs on doomed running plays with our weak O Line - and it got worse not better when he went back to calling the plays. So I would argue my opinion of him changed because he changed.

I really don't expect him to be fired, and I'm not quite to the point of wanting that. I will say, though, there is no definite reason why we would have a downturn with a new coach. What we have now in talent is pretty mediocre other than Aaron Rodgers; A new coach would still have Rodgers and arguably would make better use of him - but it ain't gonna happen, so there's no point in speculating.

Is that fierce enough for you, Fritz?

[Pugger]

I don't think Ted got lucky getting Rodgers. Most other GMs with a guy like Favre on their roster would have passed. If Aaron was a sure thing why did 23 other GMs pass on him too? He and his staff knew Rodgers wasn't going to contribute much to the success of the 2005 team. It was a ballsy move IMO. Ted was drafting for the future. I remember a lot of fans were very unhappy with this choice that day. In subsequent years we've been skunked with our high picks but a couple of our high picks became injury busts. Harrell was a mistake but I don't know if anyone could have foreseen Sherrod having his leg smashed like that.

[Fritz]

There is no doubt that luck is a part of this game, but you've got to apply that consistently on both sides of the argument. TT was lucky that Rodgers fell that far, though he ought to get lots of credit for taking him when he already had Brent Favre.

But luck is also a major piece of the equation when it comes to the games themselves. Carson Palmer got hit in the middle of the AZ game and the ball came out of his hands - but it bounced right back up to him and he fell on it. That's luck, too.

Randall makes a great play to stick his hand in front of a receiver at the goal line and deflect a ball. It goes up and into the arms of an Arizona receiver for the go-ahead touchdown. It could have easily popped up in a different direction, but it didn't. That's luck, too.

During one year San Fran kept their starting five offensive linemen healthy all year. That's mostly luck, too.

A team has to be very good but also very lucky to get to and win a Superbowl. You can't be just lucky - you have to be good. But you also have to be lucky.

Green Bay gets into the playoffs every year. They play tough most years in the playoffs. They've just missed. Some of that is on the head coach, sure. He needs to reevaluate as he is doing.

But you can't win the SB every year, or every other year. It's tough. If you don't win Employee of the Year every single year, does your boss fire you? No. If you own a business, and you make really good money doing so, so you fire your manager because he doesn't make a record amount every year? No.

McCarthy, like any professional, should be and is reevaluating the job he's done, and what he needs to do better and differently. He doesn't need to be fired.

[George Cumby]

Well said, Fritz.

[Pugger]

There is no doubt that luck is a part of this game, but you've got to apply that consistently on both sides of the argument. TT was lucky that Rodgers fell that far, though he ought to get lots of credit for taking him when he already had Brent Favre.

But luck is also a major piece of the equation when it comes to the games themselves. Carson Palmer got hit in the middle of the AZ game and the ball came out of his hands - but it bounced right back up to him and he fell on it. That's luck, too.

Randall makes a great play to stick his hand in front of a receiver at the goal line and deflect a ball. It goes up and into the arms of an Arizona receiver for the go-ahead touchdown. It could have easily popped up in a different direction, but it didn't. That's luck, too.

During one year San Fran kept their starting five offensive linemen healthy all year. That's mostly luck, too.

A team has to be very good but also very lucky to get to and win a Superbowl. You can't be just lucky - you have to be good. But you also have to be lucky.

Green Bay gets into the playoffs every year. They play tough most years in the playoffs. They've just missed. Some of that is on the head coach, sure. He needs to reevaluate as he is doing.

But you can't win the SB every year, or every other year. It's tough. If you don't win Employee of the Year every single year, does your boss fire you? No. If you own a business, and you make really good money doing so, so you fire your manager because he doesn't make a record amount every year? No.

McCarthy, like any professional, should be and is reevaluating the job he's done, and what he needs to do better and differently. He doesn't need to be fired.

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