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Yeah, I guess. I'm talking mainly about the scouting report guys. Right now, based just on film and sketchy athletic measurements, the scouting gurus are all over the map. Once the rubber hits the road in the bowl games and official combine performances are in, low rated guys go up in mock drafts and high rated guys go down. See Paul Dawson last year for a typical example.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Just imagine what happens when the team with the #1 pick you traded for finds itself in a bad division and ends up in the playoffs.Originally posted by Fritz View PostBud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Well, in the Packers case, you really haven't lost much because the Packers are a perennial playoff team.Originally posted by pbmax View PostI can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
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Sure, but it still affects the plan for one year (and you can't use the two 1s to trade up).Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
I am also not certain there will always be a taker for the other pick who wants to trade a future pick.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Senior Bowlers to watch: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...and-the-future
Jeremy Cash, safety, Duke
The Cardinals' success with Deone Bucannon may create a market for safeties who can play like linebackers. Cash, who lined up as everything from an outside linebacker to a slot corner for the Blue Devils, fits the bill. He's also coming back from December wrist surgery and can show he's ready to go through the full predraft process.
Paul McRoberts, wide receiver, Southeast Missouri State
Big-play receivers from smaller programs make the best prospect crushes. McRoberts is long and lanky, with a knack for tough catches. He makes great moves with the ball in his hands and shows willingness as a downfield blocker. Let's see how those skills ramp up against all-star competition.
Jonathan Williams, running back, Arkansas
Rushed for 1,190 yards as a junior, suffered a foot injury and missed the whole year as a senior. Williams is the kind of player the Senior Bowl is made for.
Shawn Oakman, defensive end, Baylor
I just want to see him. The dude looks like Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy. He appears to have the wingspan of a prom limo. I just want to see him with his shirt off and stuff.
Is that squicky? It's not meant to be squicky. It's scouting.
Others:
Carson Wentz, quarterback, North Dakota State
Jeff Driskel, quarterback, Louisiana Tech
Nick Martin, center, Notre Dame
Braxton Miller, wide receiver, Ohio StateBud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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IMO the Packers need a hybrid ILB like Cash, who can tackle, but can stay with speedy RB's and TE's in man coverage and zone. When you think about it, there isn't much of a size difference between smaller traditional ILB's and bigger hybrid types. It boils down to speed and coverage ability.Originally posted by pbmax View Post
That said, I didn't hear Cash's name called at all yesterday. Did he play?
McRoberts played well, especially in the clutch. He displayed good hands and RAC ability. Don't know about his downfield ability to separate.
If Williams played, he didn't stand out. The RB's who shined IMO were Aaron Green and Tyler Ervin (an undersized guy that TT would have to go way out of character to draft, but draft him he should). Kenneth Dixon is supposed to be a pass catching back, but he had a blatant drop on an easy out pattern.
Shawn Oakman stood out. He was a disrupting factor and had a couple of sacks. Was that because the D-lineman were all so good and outclassed the O-linemen creating opportunities for Oakman?
Driskel and Zak Prescott were the outstanding QB's. There seems to be a bumper crop of QB's this year. Same for D-linemen and WR's.
Speaking of which, Braxton Miller showed athleticism, speed and RAC. He'd do well in GB. He's like Monty on steroids IMO.
Other guys that impressed were Vernon Butler, Noah Spence, Eric Murray, KJ Dillon, Deone Jones, Nick Vannett and Darian Thompson. I could see Vannett as a Packer. Spence has had drug issues. Murray is a good tackler/hitter.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Another prospective...
Seahawks BlogLouisiana Tech DT Vernon Butler could go in the first round
Before we get into the Senior Bowl highlights from yesterday, here are some observations I made watching games yesterday:
— Vernon Butler (DT, Louisiana Tech) is the most intriguing interior defensive linemen in the class. I watched him against Rice and Kansas State and you could see him playing for the Seahawks. His gap discipline is excellent and that’s a big deal for Seattle. They preach doing your job up front and it helps them dominate vs the run. There aren’t many DT’s with length (34 inch arms), size (325lbs) and this type of mobility/athleticism. They like unique players — Butler has a rare physical combination. He carries the size well with a nice blend of lower/upper body power. He’ll soak up a double team on one play allowing the linebacker to break through on a blitz. On the next down he’ll stretch out a run play and work to the sideline. Here’s the thing though — he isn’t a great pass rusher. He just isn’t. And that’s underlined by a poor stat-sheet against some below-par opponents in 2015 (three sacks). So while he has the potential to become a very impressive, solid pro-DT at the next level — is he likely to improve upon what the Seahawks already have? That said, I’m not sure there’s a DT I’d want to take earlier than Butler in the entire class.
— When I do my next mock draft, Kyler Fackrell (DE/OLB, Utah State) will be in the top-25. I can see why PFF graded him as one of the most underrated pass rushers in college football in 2015. Unlike Vernon Butler, his middling statistics (four sacks) don’t do him justice. He’s a splash play artist — constantly impacting snaps and forcing mistakes. He’s a relentless rusher responsible for so many bad throws, picks and poor decisions. Whether you want to use him in the 3-4 at linebacker, off the edge in a 4-3 or in a Jamie Collins type role — he’ll be able to make plays. He’s one of the most fun players you’ll see in this class — with the attitude, intensity and football character that will make him incredibly attractive to teams. If the Dallas Cowboys wanted to draw a line under the ugly Greg Hardy episode, Fackrell would be an ideal replacement. They won’t take him with the #4 pick — but if they trade down with a club looking to draft one of the top QB’s, it could be possible.
— Sheldon Rankins (DT, Louisville) is getting a lot of attention after what appears to be a terrific first day of practise at the Senior Bowl. I saw one clip where he embarrassed Graham Glasgow with a fantastic spin move. It was quick-twitch, fluid technique at its best. He apparently had a similar move against Evan Boehm. I recall not being overly impressed with his tape — so I went back yesterday to review that initial take. And I came away unimpressed again. Perhaps the nature of the drills and the 1v1 nature of the plays suit Rankins? There’s no denying he has an attractive combination of quick feet and compact size (6-2, around 300lbs) that you want to see in an orthodox 4-3 three technique (not that the Seahawks feature that type of player). Yet on tape he doesn’t beat anyone with the spin move, he doesn’t shoot gaps and penetrate. He hasn’t got that first step quickness to work into the backfield. He doesn’t get pushed around and he looks strong at the POA, he’ll hold his ground and occasionally force running backs to bounce outside. He can move along the line. But he’s not going to the NFL to be a run-stuffer. And there has to at least be some concern that he’ll always look great in these Senior Bowl drills — but will it translate to the NFL? I’m not overly convinced — but will try and watch another couple of different games soon.
Senior Bowl highlights
Jon Ledyard says Charles Tapper (DE, Oklahoma) had a good day (among his extensive notes). “His hands are deadly when he utilizes them, just has to get precision down. I thought Tapper had an impressive all-around day, and his thick build lends itself to a strong-side 4-3 defensive end who is pretty immovable against the run.”
Joe Marino thinks Jason Spriggs (T, Indiana) is helping himself. The Senior Bowl is always a good showcase event for athletic offensive linemen. Marino: “He has the skills to be a starter on the left side in the NFL.”
Tony Pauline also felt Spriggs performed well:
Three in a row for Jason Spriggs/Indiana over Jihad Ward/Illinois. Spriggs could cement himself as a first round pick this week.
— Tony Pauline (@TonyPauline) January 26, 2016
Pauline also praised Noah Spence (DE, Eastern Kentucky), Malcolm Mitchell (WR, Georgia) and Jordan Jenkins (OLB/DE, Georgia) on his Twitter timeline. On Jenkins: “(He) has been unstoppable. A man among boys.”
Todd McShay thinks Braxton Miller (WR, Ohio State) can have an impact this week. “Miller showed great play, speed and savvy. He can still work on getting a cleaner release against press coverage, but he really caught the ball — even when the throws were off-target. And you saw his ability to create big plays after the catch.”
Rosterwatch claim Miles Killebrew (S, Southern Utah) is getting plenty of attention. “One DC told us today he likes him best as a light LB in Thomas Davis mold.”One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Bleacher Report Slideshow on the game Pretty good analysis.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Do you think NFL OC's will figure out how to scheme against the quick ILB's like Telvin Smith, Deone Buchannon and Thomas Davis? Seems like running at them with a lead block from a FB or G would give them trouble. I have to think this is a fad that will get outschemed...but I could be wrong. Telvin has been pretty good for 2 seasons with the Jags.Comment
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My Senior Bowl notes:
The Mobile Airport TSA line was stupid packed this morning, and will be most of the afternoon.
In the serpentine of limbo, I saw a friendly, smallish college-age kid and his cute girlfriend in matching SB garb. "Did you do something at the game?", I asked. "Yeah, I was the kicker for the South team." "Oh, uh....I heard the score, so I know you kicked some extra points. Did you get to make any field goals?" "Yeah, one from 42 and one from 48."
So I felt sufficiently dumb after that.
I also had Jay Lee from Baylor on my flight to DFW, but it was early and he was interested in talking to an agent. I did get the agent's card. Arthur Gamble, JD.I believe in God, family, Baylor University, and the Green Bay Packers.Comment
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Sure the hybrid LB's will be schemed against by the OC's. But then the DC's will scheme against the OC's and so it goes. LOLOriginally posted by run pMc View Post
The things I don't see as a fad are big/fast TE's, RB's who are just as much pass catchers as they are runners and speedy running QB's like Wilson and Bridgewater. To me, that means you need speed on the defensive side of the ball to counter them. Now, you might find a big, traditional MLB with SS speed (Urlacher 6'4" 258) but two things: 1) Urlachers are few and far between; and 2) faster, traditional ILB's (Shazier 6'1" 230, Mosley 6'2" 235, Kendricks 6'0" 232) are in all reality not much bigger than a SS/hybrid LB (Smith 6'3" 223, Bucannon 6'1" 210). The guys in the draft this year who could be considered hybrid ILB's are Miles Killebrew 6'1" 219, Jeremy Cash 6'0" 212, Darian Thompson 6'1" 215).
I think what these guys lack in weight they make up for in speed, attitude, tackling ability and coverage skills.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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In Brackets their DraftTec 300 Ranking:Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
The guys in the draft this year who could be considered hybrid ILB's are (108) Miles Killebrew 6'1" 219, (29) Jeremy Cash 6'0" 212 and (50) Darian Thompson 6'1" 215).** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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I'm through QBs and RBs (pre-combine) and getting through WRs. I like Dixon. Might lack a little speed, so he might be ranked right about where he should be. Good all around RB. Of course, I was somebody who liked Bishop Sankey more than Tre Mason because of his all around skills. RBs are really hard to judge.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
I like Shepard. I think he's ranked a little low in most rankings."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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You know, the last several years I've become less interested in the draft, mostly because I realize I don't know shit about scouting. So I read a bit, but just wait to see what Ted does on draft day."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Same here, except add in that for the past two drafts, the Steelers picked the guys I wanted in round 1, and all the players I liked got picked by someone else. I figure, what's the point of getting excited about a player that's going to another team? Plus, I barely follow college ball - I already look stupid enough commenting on crap I know nothing about - why make it worse? Plus, who has time for all those videos?Originally posted by Fritz View Post
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