Packers 2016 Offseason

[smuggler]

Casey was 5 mil per year. Should be a 5th.

[Fritz]

Doubtful that Tolzien will bring a draft pick. I think this year the cutoff was nearly $3M/year. Players who signed contracts for less than that did not bring draft picks to their former clubs.

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I believe the NFL has instituted a new rule that says that if the guy who left your team underperforms, they take away a draft pick from you. Packers will have to give up a seventh if Tolzien can't carry the clipboard as if he's paying attention to the game.

[BZnDallas]

Casey was 5 mil per year. Should be a 5th.

Brain fart... Thanx for the correction Smuggler

[pbmax]

James Jones told that the Packers are going with the young guys.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/372980751.html

Frank Bauer, Jones' agent, said he had discussions with the team to see if they would consider bringing his client back but was told that they were moving on.

"They're going to go with the young guys," Bauer said.

Jones bailed Thompson out of a huge hole after Nelson was lost for the season with a torn ACL suffered in the second exhibition game. After the New York Giants released him, Jones accepted a one-year deal, $870,000 minimum wage deal with the Packers.

[Rutnstrut]

James Jones told that the Packers are going with the young guys.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/372980751.html

This is the stuff that makes me scratch my head. They keep a guy like Peppers that the whole world can see the guy takes plays off and doesn't play hard all the time. Yet a guy like Jones that saved their ass last year and played better than many receivers in the league they have no interest in. The guy played hurt which most Packers players don't seem to be able to do. He played all out, which too many present players don't do. It's also ironic that stubby is on the Janis wagon now. Yet through much of the season last year he refused to put the guy on the field. Montgomery is not going to be the talent some seem to think he is. It's not a for sure thing that Jordy comes back as good as he was. Sure Jones is slow, but with the other receivers back he could be that redzone threat that dickrod will never be.

[run pMc]

Too early to tell on Montgomery, just as it's too early to say anything about Jordy, beyond his rehab is going well. They have 6 WRs on the roster...Jones would be 7. Compared to the rest of WRs, Jones is older, slower, and has no upside. No need to keep him, unless there was another rash of injuries.
Peppers got pressure and sacks. He's got one more year and GB doesn't have a reliable replacement for him. I'm ok with keeping Peppers and not Jones.

[pbmax]

This is the stuff that makes me scratch my head. They keep a guy like Peppers that the whole world can see the guy takes plays off and doesn't play hard all the time. Yet a guy like Jones that saved their ass last year and played better than many receivers in the league they have no interest in. The guy played hurt which most Packers players don't seem to be able to do. He played all out, which too many present players don't do. It's also ironic that stubby is on the Janis wagon now. Yet through much of the season last year he refused to put the guy on the field. Montgomery is not going to be the talent some seem to think he is. It's not a for sure thing that Jordy comes back as good as he was. Sure Jones is slow, but with the other receivers back he could be that redzone threat that dickrod will never be.

He is an insurance policy at best and his limitations became apparent after Game 5. They need to develop a new option rather than keep him on the bench. If they had four significantly better right now, keeping him as five like Donald Driver would make more sense.

[pbmax]

Now a D lineman seems inevitable. But unsure of NT or 3-5 tech.

Jersey Al - GBP @JerseyAlGBP 33m33 minutes ago
At @CheeseheadTV: McCarthy: Datone Jones Moving Outside http://bit.ly/1ZqvIUA #Packers

[King Friday]

This is the stuff that makes me scratch my head. They keep a guy like Peppers that the whole world can see the guy takes plays off and doesn't play hard all the time. Yet a guy like Jones that saved their ass last year and played better than many receivers in the league they have no interest in. The guy played hurt which most Packers players don't seem to be able to do. He played all out, which too many present players don't do. It's also ironic that stubby is on the Janis wagon now. Yet through much of the season last year he refused to put the guy on the field. Montgomery is not going to be the talent some seem to think he is. It's not a for sure thing that Jordy comes back as good as he was. Sure Jones is slow, but with the other receivers back he could be that redzone threat that dickrod will never be.

The team is already 6 deep at WR, and Thompson is likely to spend another draft pick on a WR as well. Why the hell would you bring Jones back? The only reason we did last year was because of a rash of injuries. Jones played well early in the season, when defenses left him alone. Once they paid a little more attention to him and saw he could only do a couple things adequately, he disappeared.

James Jones is JAG at this point. Get over it already. There are 100 WRs in the league who are capable of putting up "decent" numbers with Rodgers throwing them the rock.

[Carolina_Packer]

This is the stuff that makes me scratch my head. They keep a guy like Peppers that the whole world can see the guy takes plays off and doesn't play hard all the time. Yet a guy like Jones that saved their ass last year and played better than many receivers in the league they have no interest in. The guy played hurt which most Packers players don't seem to be able to do. He played all out, which too many present players don't do. It's also ironic that stubby is on the Janis wagon now. Yet through much of the season last year he refused to put the guy on the field. Montgomery is not going to be the talent some seem to think he is. It's not a for sure thing that Jordy comes back as good as he was. Sure Jones is slow, but with the other receivers back he could be that redzone threat that dickrod will never be.

You and I agree that Jones was a good Packer player, but the Packers are deep at WR going into this season. One thing that was made crystal clear last year is that they don't have a lot of speed at WR, and Jones is not getting any younger. If anything, they should either draft a WR like Mike Thomas from Southern Miss. (very interesting prospect) and add to the competition. Plus, your 5th and 6th WR's generally have to play special teams, which James is not going to do at this point in his career. It is a game of replacement as they say. Every player knows this, and every fan ultimately learns this. I agree with TT that it's a young man's game. On the flip-side, Jones is not terrible. He's a good pro player, a good person from extraordinary circumstances who made good with his football career. Unfortunately, the Packers don't need him anymore. It happens.

[Fritz]

Datone Jones moving outside - this is another first or second rounder who's being asked to change positions about three years into his career, Mike Neal being the other. Does that happen often, or does TT need to re-think how he drafts defensive linemen and OLB's?

[pbmax]

Datone Jones moving outside - this is another first or second rounder who's being asked to change positions about three years into his career, Mike Neal being the other. Does that happen often, or does TT need to re-think how he drafts defensive linemen and OLB's?

I don't think he can hold up well inside versus the run. He might be a 5 tech, but he is not a 3 or 1.

[Fritz]

I don't think he can hold up well inside versus the run. He might be a 5 tech, but he is not a 3 or 1.

Well, he was drafted to be a 5-tech, but now he's being moved to Elephant. Just as Neal was moved.

Does Ted need to re-think what he's looking for in his 5-technique?

[pbmax]

Well, he was drafted to be a 5-tech, but now he's being moved to Elephant. Just as Neal was moved.

Does Ted need to re-think what he's looking for in his 5-technique?

To a degree, but not drastically. Jones isn't as good as Guion or Daniels at the 1 or 3, and they play so little base, that he spent very little time at his base position.

You want someone who could leave the team and end up in his preferred position? Its Jones and the 5 tech (or 7 in a 4-3).

[Fritz]

To a degree, but not drastically. Jones isn't as good as Guion or Daniels at the 1 or 3, and they play so little base, that he spent very little time at his base position.

You want someone who could leave the team and end up in his preferred position? Its Jones and the 5 tech (or 7 in a 4-3).

But isn't the guy in the 3-4 who's supposed to be able to get to the QB consistently out of the base the 5-tech? Isn't that quick-twitch defensive end the guy who's supposed to be able to get to the QB, creating even more pressure? Or do you just run the 3-4 base with a nose tackle and two 3-tech defensive tackle types?