Hunter Hillenmeyer

[Fritz]

"Ron Wolf once said GMs get in trouble when they start to covet players in any round."

And I agree with him. Which is why I would be fine if TT traded down out of that #5 spot and picked up an extra second rounder. History shows that the more players you are able to select the better your chances of getting good players. Think about the way Wolf used to talk about the draft. He's say things like "if five of the ten picks pan out we'll be in good shape." He knew that banking on a guy (as Sherman so, so often did) is a mistake. For every Javon Walker you trade up for there are all kinds of Kenny Petersons, Donnell Washingtons, BJ Sanders, and the like.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have a rude question: Is part of the continuing fascination with Hunter Hillenmeyer because he is a white linebacker? It seems like fans just love to identify with linebackers, particularly the pasty faces.

Hillenmeyer is a borderline NFL player on another team.

Paris Lenon is better, and I didn't see a mention when he shipped off to Detroit.

[Bretsky]

I have a rude question: Is part of the continuing fascination with Hunter Hillenmeyer because he is a white linebacker? It seems like fans just love to identify with linebackers, particularly the pasty faces.

Hillenmeyer is a borderline NFL player on another team.

Paris Lenon is better, and I didn't see a mention when he shipped off to Detroit.

I think part of the fascination in discussing Hunter Hillenmeyer is that he epitomizes the failure of Mike Sherman as a GM. And since he was once a GB Packer and we gave him away for free after trading two draft picks for him it's interesting to discuss him again.

I do think he's better than Paris Lenon as well. Right now Hillenmeyer would be the third best LB on our team. That says more about how well the Turtle has done bringing in new talent than how good Hillenmeyer is though.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Paris Lenon was the most consistent linebacker on the team last season. They got rid of him because he is topped-out as an average player, kinda slow.

No, I won't buy that Hillenmeyer is better than Lenon. They are certainly comparable, at any rate.

[Fritz]

It's the name, Harlan, it's the name. Hunter Hillenmeyer? He's either the first old-family-money linebackers in the NFL (it'd be like Pierre DuPont IV being in the NFL) or he's the first (or one of the first, anyway) Jewish linebackers in the NFL.

In terms of race I think people are a little more weirded out by white cornerbacks.

[Guiness]

Nah, the thought of race didn't enter my mind when talking about him. Sherman's shenanigans with draft picks to get him that Shamler pointed out also weren't my main consideration.

Chicago had a damn good defense last year. Whatever its actual rank was, I'd say it was top three in the league. And HH was a starter for that D. Maybe he was just along for the ride, but those credentials are enough for me to want a second look.


But Fritz's statement does raise the question: are there any white CB's in the league? I honestly can't think of one.

[Harlan Huckleby]

But Fritz's statement does raise the question: are there any white CB's in the league? I honestly can't think of one.

I think the closest match is Steve Nash, point guard for the Phoenix Suns.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Former Packer walk on Kevin Kaesviharn was a pretty solid white CB for awhile, not named Jason Sehorn that is. However, the Bengels switched him to S in 04 and he started all 16 gms there last year.

I couldve been a pretty good CB too, but Alvertz tanked my NFL career when he gave my schoolarship to Darren Charles.

[swede]

Former Packer walk on Kevin Kaesviharn was a pretty solid white CB for awhile, not named Jason Sehorn that is. However, the Bengels switched him to S in 04 and he started all 16 gms there last year.

I couldve been a pretty good CB too, but Alvertz tanked my NFL career when he gave my schoolarship to Darren Charles.

Right there is Fritz's "weirded out by white cornerbacks" theory at work.

That kid Kaisviharn did nothing but play hard and fast and they let him go.

Tank, unless you are...ahem...a person of color, you may have a reverse discrimination lawsuit on your hands. Darren Charles instead of Tank indeed. What were Bret Bieliema and Barry thinking?

Let's see, we could conservatively estimate an eight year career at 1.5 mil a year. Lawyer would get half...how does 6 mil sound, buddy? They've got 6 mil in loose change in the athletic department couches at UW.

[swede]

@EW%@#$ I didn't know that.

What a friggin bone head. Who feels a 'need' to move up 20 spots in the fifth round? If for no other reason, those types of moves make me happy he's gone.

Hey. How about the year they cut Freeman, accelerated his bonus and took a huge cap hit, and then took another second hit when they signed him again later in the season.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Former Packer walk on Kevin Kaesviharn was a pretty solid white CB for awhile, not named Jason Sehorn that is. However, the Bengels switched him to S in 04 and he started all 16 gms there last year.

I couldve been a pretty good CB too, but Alvertz tanked my NFL career when he gave my schoolarship to Darren Charles.

Right there is Fritz's "weirded out by white cornerbacks" theory at work.

That kid Kaisviharn did nothing but play hard and fast and they let him go.

Tank, unless you are...ahem...a person of color, you may have a reverse discrimination lawsuit on your hands. Darren Charles instead of Tank indeed. What were Bret Bieliema and Barry thinking?

Let's see, we could conservatively estimate an eight year career at 1.5 mil a year. Lawyer would get half...how does 6 mil sound, buddy? They've got 6 mil in loose change in the athletic department couches at UW.

Actually, i dont think it has anything to do with race. Alvertz pulled a thompson, and i think thats all; chosing the lesser talanted player (charles) over the more talanted player (me) (like thompson did by chosing Klemm over Wahle).

Besides, i think, correct me if im wrong, but from the look of it, Charles looks part white/part black.

[motife]

Steve Alford's Iowa Hawkeye BB team is almost always all white.

I was listening to WCCO and Sid Hartman on a call in show with Clem Haskins, the former black coach of the Gophers. Out of Haskins 15 players, 14 of them were black, and the one white guy never played. I think he kept track of towels for the starters when there was a timeout. Some woman with a very thick Minnesota/North Dakota accent calls in and said :

"Hay Coach Haskins. Yah for shure you got a really good team. But how come ya don't have any local boys on it, doncha know? Uff da!"

Haskins hit the ceiling because he thought this was a racist call.

It was a legitimate question. Where were the Sven Lundegards and Arne Lindquists?

Remember when the Boston Celtics were almost all white except for the Cheif Robert Parrish? Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Danny Ainge and the freckle faced Dennis Johnson.

[ND72]

so it's obvious the GM Mike Sherman killed the HC Mike sherman. i do so far like what teddy has done in the draft (1 year), and am looking forward to year 2.

kind of similar to hunter, did you all know this. At the end of training camp, KGB's rookie year, KGB was cut, cleared waivers, placed back on GB's practice squad, someone got hurt, they placed him on active roster...and the rest, as they say.....is history.

[Guiness]

I was a white CB/S at Canadian University football. That count for anything? Didn't think so

Tyronne Williams, (the Dallas receiver, not the GB CB) played Canadian University ball. He was having a field day against us, and lined up in the slot, so I ended up covering him. Safety didn't get over in time to help me deep, and I was burnt for a TD. If I had any illusions about my ability, he cured them.

[Fosco33]

I didn't see this thread before - kinda crazy. Hunter is my coworkers cousin James. He gets to see Hunter all the time as they're about the same age and in the same city.