Just one year out, TT's first draft looking crappy

[mraynrand]

"The departure of Hawkins in the near future leaves just five of Thompson’s 11 picks from his ’05 draft on the 51-man roster. Nick Collins and perhaps Brady Poppinga are starters; Aaron Rodgers, Mike Montgomery and Junius Coston are backups; Marviel Underwood and Kurt Campbell are on injured reserve; Terrence Murphy was forced to retire; and Will Whitticker and Craig Bragg were cut."

Bragg was also cut again by Chicago yesterday. So TT went with the method everyone liked so much, stockpile picks, build depth, etc. etc. A-rod looked pedestrian in preseason, Nick Collins looked like just a guy, Montgomery looked like a role player at best. Sure inury was a factor (Underwood and Murphy), but that's true of every draft. Right now, and in the forseeable future, TT's first draft looks like a pile of crap. The bottom line is that you can stockpile picks all you want, but if they suck, they suck, and it doesn't help. And this is just one year out. Imagine the winnowing in another year at the "three year mark"

But this isn't unique to TT or the Packers, look at Philly's draft class from 2004 - they have but one starter from 10 picks, and have only 5 guys left. Sherman did better compared to Philly in 2004, with Carroll, Williams, and Wells all certain to contribute this year.

[gbpackfan]

That's why I love that TT values draft picks so much and drafts so many guys. The draft is ALWAYS a crap shoot, so you should draft as many guys as possible. Sometimes you get gems like DD and Taush, sometimes you get crap like D. Washington and C. Rodgers. 23 picks over the last two years is a good way to get a good look at a lot of players!

[HarveyWallbangers]

The departure of Hawkins in the near future leaves just five of Thompson’s 11 picks from his ’05 draft on the 51-man roster. Nick Collins and perhaps Brady Poppinga are starters; Aaron Rodgers, Mike Montgomery and Junius Coston are backups; Marviel Underwood and Kurt Campbell are on injured reserve; Terrence Murphy was forced to retire; and Will Whitticker and Craig Bragg were cut.

Too early to judge. Most teams have 7 picks. He looks to work to get extra picks. He had 11. Most teams probably have 6 or less picks still on the team from last year.

If Collins, Poppinga, and especially Rodgers turn into solid starters, it will be considered a good draft. Coston, Montgomery, Underwood turning into contributors would help. Losing Murphy hurt though. He had the makings of being a decent starter some day. It's hard to fault him there--since Murphy was extremely durable in college.

[digitaldean]

Re: Just one year out, TT's first draft looking crappy

"The departure of Hawkins in the near future leaves just five of Thompson’s 11 picks from his ’05 draft on the 51-man roster. Nick Collins and perhaps Brady Poppinga are starters; Aaron Rodgers, Mike Montgomery and Junius Coston are backups; Marviel Underwood and Kurt Campbell are on injured reserve; Terrence Murphy was forced to retire; and Will Whitticker and Craig Bragg were cut."

Bragg was also cut again by Chicago yesterday. So TT went with the method everyone liked so much, stockpile picks, build depth, etc. etc. A-rod looked pedestrian in preseason, Nick Collins looked like just a guy, Montgomery looked like a role player at best. Sure inury was a factor (Underwood and Murphy), but that's true of every draft. Right now, and in the forseeable future, TT's first draft looks like a pile of crap. The bottom line is that you can stockpile picks all you want, but if they suck, they suck, and it doesn't help. And this is just one year out. Imagine the winnowing in another year at the "three year mark"

But this isn't unique to TT or the Packers, look at Philly's draft class from 2004 - they have but one starter from 10 picks, and have only 5 guys left. Sherman did better compared to Philly in 2004, with Carroll, Williams, and Wells all certain to contribute this year.

We'll see this season. I wouldn't put TT up vs. Wolf's picks (though Ron had his share of clunkers).

I think Collins looked above average. Rodgers has not set the world on fire, but has improved from last season. (the season is lost anyway if he has to start because that would mean Favre is out).

As for Carroll, Williams and Wells...I agree on Wells only. Carroll has still had problems with his "velcro" hands and Williams sure hasn't showed much.

TT's picks that are coming as reaches... Coston, Hawkins, etc. were projects that he rolled the dice on. It's nice to stock picks like you said, but they have to amount to something. Cory Rodgers blew his chances, it was a 4th round pick blown.

As for the bright spots, Hawk is doing fine, Hodge perpetually has shown a knack to disrupt the play, Jennings is looking like a solid WR. Jury is out on Spitz, Moll and Colledge.

Shermy made some OK picks. But the albatross was Sander without a doubt. Rightly or wrongly, that overshadowed the good picks he did make.

[Chubbyhubby]

This years draft is looking good. At least the top 3 draft picks. Hawk is playing solid, Hodge is holding his own. Jennings is the steal of the draft so far. As of the OL picks College,Moll, and Spitz the need work but most OL need more work then others. I agree Cory Rodgers was a blown pick he was known for Special Team play and he failed at it during practice and games. We'll have to wait and see how this draft class pans out but so far not too shabby.

[Bretsky]

Agree on subject; I posted similar views several weeks back. Rodgers is the one thing that can save that draft. But right now it sits in the C- to D+ Range

[test]

Yes Madtown and all the limp wristed mods here allow my wife to be insulted and run down. They do NOTHING about it.

So far retailguy, the_idle_threat, and mraynrand have all insulted my wife in this thread http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/vi...3159&start=120 and J-Rok has yucked it up.

Real nice board you got here. Why is this acceptable to all of you? No one will admit this was totaly fucked up so I'll just have to keep it going.

[Dabaddestbear]

Test you are more of a troll than any Bear fan on packers message baords in recent memory. calm it down man. No one is gonna apologize to you after all that ranting you did. Stop flooding the threads with this banter please. You make it hard for us true rival trolls to get some of the hatred. Only thing you may accomplish is getting yourself banned and then you will have no choice but to sit on JSONLINE and cry about it.

[test]

so you would just sit by and take it?

[RashanGary]

Test...I'm sorry, but this is the kind of shit that everyone grew sick of at JS. I can understand if you have an issue. I've had them from time to time. YOu made one thread to let your voice out and people will respond to it if they like.

This just makes me realize that most people don't want to hear this shit. If the mods ban you, I wouldn't blink an eye because you have no respect for the spirit of a football board and you are blantently bringing this place down.

If you don't wnat someone to say they feel sorry for your wife then don't act like an idiot. I'm sure half of the people here would have just punched you in the eye for being such an idiot in real life. You got off pretty easy IMO unless your such a pansie that you can't take critism. I've had some pretty damn bad things said of me, some of which I used to realize something of myself, some of which I ignored and some I retaliated against. Be a man, if you need to defend yourself, defend but dont' pass it off on others.

Also, If you don't like a mod or two, just ignore them.

[test]

yea see you're missing the point.

I give a crap about what's said about me. But my wife got dragged into it. She or I don't need or desire you sympathy. She twice as tough as all of you put together.

She got dragged in for no reason. I won't sit idelly by and take it. idel threat has the power to end it all. When he admits he's wrong contritely, I'm done.

[Dabaddestbear]

yea see you're missing the point.

I give a crap about what's said about me. But my wife got dragged into it. She or I don't need or desire you sympathy. She twice as tough as all of you put together.

She got dragged in for no reason. I won't sit idelly by and take it. idel threat has the power to end it all. When he admits he's wrong contritely, I'm done.

man you are going to get banned before you get an apology.
Cool it. I am supposed to be the troll not you.

[RashanGary]

yea see you're missing the point.

I give a crap about what's said about me. But my wife got dragged into it. She or I don't need or desire you sympathy. She twice as tough as all of you put together.

She got dragged in for no reason. I won't sit idelly by and take it. idel threat has the power to end it all. When he admits he's wrong contritely, I'm done.

Seriously, someone needs to get rid of this guy. This is getting old.

[test]

idle threat has the power to make it right.

This is amazing. No one else sees what he did as being wrong?

I'll make no more comments here about it if no one else does. Move discussion to here http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=3208

[MJZiggy]

Agree on subject; I posted similar views several weeks back. Rodgers is the one thing that can save that draft. But right now it sits in the C- to D+ Range

I give it an incomplete. There's no WAY you can tell yet and for those comparing to Sherman's draft is silly as they've had longer to develop. Which of those picks contributed a whole lot last year? Next year we might be able to compare but not now.