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the "not tight-end." i like it. sign him up. yup...he's one guy that actually fights for the ball and has great hands when facing the qb. this O needs all the help it can get.Originally posted by Rutnstrut View PostIf you believe what they are saying there, than not bringing Jones back makes even less sense than I originally thought it did. He's just as coachable as Adams or Cobb, and he fights for the ball more than those two combined. He can be the "not TE" redzone threat, because no one is threatened by Dickrod.
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I don't think we need Jones in the red zone, although I do agree if the whole game was played in the redzone he'd be a welcome addition.
Cobb doesn't fight for the ball like Jones but he has proven to be excellent at finding green grass and open passing lanes in the red zone. In the compressed field of the red zone his greatest weakness, long speed, is completely mitigated. He's our best player here.
Same goes for Dickrod. The redzone is one of the only two situations where I consider him above average (the other being zbs blocking downfield). His slowness doesn't hamper him in the redzone and he's done well in competing for the contested ball.70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
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The most reliable player on offense including AR?Originally posted by yetisnowman View PostRegardless of injuries, having the most receiving yards and Tds on an NFL team is nothing to scoff at. Jones was out most reliable player on offense last year, including AR. Seems a cheap reliable option, especially since you know injuries will occur, is a good thing.
Are you out of your wits?
Jones was a key and fortunate acquisition, but he wasn't the most reliable receiver we had, let alone the most reliable player.
Cobb had 29 more receptions, DickRod had 8 TD's tying Jones. Jones had 50 catches, but was targeted 99 times. He'll have to battle his ass off to get a roster spot, let alone be labeled the team stud on O.
SMbass, good baseball oriented post. I've always been intrigued by players that "lose it".
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"Targets" don't mean a lot to me, because if things are the same as they have been, there must be a target on every pass attempt. So every time AR threw a ball away out of bounds or out of the endzone, someone received a "target". Last year, that was quite often. The guy who gets the "target" is always going to be a guy who works the sideline or the back of the endzone. Often last year that was Jones. A couple of those a game add up quickly.
How many times did Jones not come up with truly catchable balls? Not very often compared to Adams, or even Cobb. How often did Jones allow a defender to get position and knock a ball away, not often compared to Adams, or even Cobb.
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I agree with you pbmax.Originally posted by pbmax View PostJust like someone on a basketball team is going to get enough shots to score twenty a game regardless of how good the team is, Jones was the guy who got enough targets to lead the team. That doesn't make him good, that just made him the best option at the time. He was the best of a putrid offense.
On a team with a healthy Nelson and Cobb he is at best a #3 and you do yourself a disservice by not playing Adams, Abby and Janis more.
If he is on your team next year and playing, its a sign of the offensive apocalypse. Not a sign of smart roster management.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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Originally posted by pbmax View PostAdams is not the same player as Jones. They don't ask him to run the same routes and he was not on the same page as his QB. He was not as effective. Jones was effective enough to turn in a season similar to his past (minus deep balls).
Jones was the best option last year, but that does not make him a good option going forward.
But Jones is all downside, Adams still has an upside.Find all the latest Rotoworld fantasy sports news, live coverage, videos, highlights, stats, predictions, and results right here on NBC Sports.
There's proof in the pudding. James Jones is still a FA.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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I stand by my statement. Most reliable. You knew what to expect from him....his attributes, his limitations. He never got great seperation, but he could at least make contested catches. And he made more big plays than our other wideouts, look at his yards per catch. And yes A-rod was completely unreliable last year. Particularly the second half of the season.Originally posted by KYPack View PostThe most reliable player on offense including AR?
Are you out of your wits?
Jones was a key and fortunate acquisition, but he wasn't the most reliable receiver we had, let alone the most reliable player.
Cobb had 29 more receptions, DickRod had 8 TD's tying Jones. Jones had 50 catches, but was targeted 99 times. He'll have to battle his ass off to get a roster spot, let alone be labeled the team stud on O.
SMbass, good baseball oriented post. I've always been intrigued by players that "lose it".
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And after his hamstring injury? Does that fit under the definition of reliable?Originally posted by yetisnowman View PostI stand by my statement. Most reliable. You knew what to expect from him....his attributes, his limitations. He never got great seperation, but he could at least make contested catches. And he made more big plays than our other wideouts, look at his yards per catch. And yes A-rod was completely unreliable last year. Particularly the second half of the season.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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You make some good points, a little over sold though. The bolded kinda made me chuckle.Originally posted by yetisnowman View PostI stand by my statement. Most reliable. You knew what to expect from him....his attributes, his limitations. He never got great seperation, but he could at least make contested catches. And he made more big plays than our other wideouts, look at his yards per catch. And yes A-rod was completely unreliable last year. Particularly the second half of the season."Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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didn't care about the spelling. Just thinking of Jones covered like a blanket. I thought Rodgers threw to him because he trusted him over other guys who were blanketed as well.Originally posted by yetisnowman View PostSorry I made a spelling booboo. I guess we view the term reliable differently. Aaron was physically and emotionally erratic last year. That was my point.
I did notice that Rodgers got more erratic in games where he was sacked and pressured more and more and guys didn't get open. Probably there is some connection there.
At this point, I am officially tired of talking about Rodgers underperforming last year. It's time to start focusing on talking about him underperforming this year."Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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