Another possible reason for Arod's struggles this year

[yetisnowman]

You aren't suggesting that fans cannot get a good read on player dynamics from just watching television, are you?

I can't speak to player dynamics per se. But I can unequivocally say, that pouting and carrying on like a petulant child when things aren't going well is a sign of poor leadership. As is berating teammates when they make mistakes. Especially when Aaron himself made plenty of mistakes and poor throws in critical moments. It's just bush league.

[mraynrand]

No, he wasn't a great leader. I never said he wasn't a great QB, although last year he was mediocre. There are many players in the NFL that are excellent players, but poor leaders. Cam Newton comes to mind right away as does Rodgers, although imo Rodgers is a better leader than Cam,

I can think of 25 teams that would have liked Rodger's 2015 mediocrity.

[pbmax]

I can't speak to player dynamics per se. But I can unequivocally say, that pouting and carrying on like a petulant child when things aren't going well is a sign of poor leadership. As is berating teammates when they make mistakes. Especially when Aaron himself made plenty of mistakes and poor throws in critical moments. It's just bush league.

I would say the play of his WR was more bush league than his in 2015. By a long stretch.

His behavior is just a sideshow compared to the performances.

[Pugger]

I can think of 25 teams that would have liked Rodger's 2015 mediocrity.

QFT

[Patler]

I think many are failing to give Aaron Rodgers his due credit for the mediocrity of his season.
It was positively Staffordish, even Cutler-like, but in a less flamboyant manner.
He deserves to be recognized for that.

[yetisnowman]

I would say the play of his WR was more bush league than his in 2015. By a long stretch.

His behavior is just a sideshow compared to the performances.

You are missing the point. I know you have a difficult time holding Rodgers accountable for anything (unless it's good of course). The receivers were not good last year. No one is disputing that. Injuries, and inconsistent performances. That doesn't mean Aaron is immune to criticism. He is the mvp, the face of the franchise, a veteran, and the best player on the team...I'll say it again. Him being demonstrative, and acting like a pouting toddler, disrespecting his teammates, etc is a sign of poor leadership. I'm not sure you can argue that.

[pbmax]

You are missing the point. I know you have a difficult time holding Rodgers accountable for anything (unless it's good of course). The receivers were not good last year. No one is disputing that. Injuries, and inconsistent performances. That doesn't mean Aaron is immune to criticism. He is the mvp, the face of the franchise, a veteran, and the best player on the team...I'll say it again. Him being demonstrative, and acting like a pouting toddler, disrespecting his teammates, etc is a sign of poor leadership. I'm not sure you can argue that.

If there is an actual critique of Rodgers (see Patler above, though I disagree with his concern of it being the new normal) I would happily discuss.

But you are conveniently forgetting all the yelling, screaming and hollering that other MVP quarterbacks have done, on the field and on the sideline. Brady has thrown helmets and Manning has buried teammates in the press. Both whine constantly on the field. Favre, originally remarkable for not embarrassing his receivers like others of his time, late in his career called them out in the press and on the field. So I take the idea that this is prima facie evidence of poor leadership with a grain of salt.

When he was a rookie starter, he might have needed to tone it down. But he is a 2 time MVP and Super Bowl winner now and carries more authority.

Rodgers threw a tablet on the sideline of the Panthers game and everyone jumped to the conclusion he was mad at his teammates or receivers or the play call. The reality? He was mad at himself for abandoning his original read. Same, I bet, for a number of overthrows deep during the season.

We cannot read the mind of his teammates or know what is covered, said and done in meetings or in practice. We do not know what is expected of his teammates on a play. Until we hear that its causing trouble in the locker room, this is simply assigning great meaning to something that likely is meaningless. We grant it great meaning because we can easily see it on the TV.

[Tony Oday]

You are missing the point. I know you have a difficult time holding Rodgers accountable for anything (unless it's good of course). The receivers were not good last year. No one is disputing that. Injuries, and inconsistent performances. That doesn't mean Aaron is immune to criticism. He is the mvp, the face of the franchise, a veteran, and the best player on the team...I'll say it again. Him being demonstrative, and acting like a pouting toddler, disrespecting his teammates, etc is a sign of poor leadership. I'm not sure you can argue that.

Your analysis is flat out dumb. I doubt you watch the games and post this sophomoric BS just to stir the pot. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

[George Cumby]

^^ remember the sideline vid of Manning being a complete cunt to his OL?

His LT, Tarik Glenn (?), tells him to sit down andshut up.

[yetisnowman]

If there is an actual critique of Rodgers (see Patler above, though I disagree with his concern of it being the new normal) I would happily discuss.

But you are conveniently forgetting all the yelling, screaming and hollering that other MVP quarterbacks have done, on the field and on the sideline. Brady has thrown helmets and Manning has buried teammates in the press. Both whine constantly on the field. Favre, originally remarkable for not embarrassing his receivers like others of his time, late in his career called them out in the press and on the field. So I take the idea that this is prima facie evidence of poor leadership with a grain of salt.

When he was a rookie starter, he might have needed to tone it down. But he is a 2 time MVP and Super Bowl winner now and carries more authority.

Rodgers threw a tablet on the sideline of the Panthers game and everyone jumped to the conclusion he was mad at his teammates or receivers or the play call. The reality? He was mad at himself for abandoning his original read. Same, I bet, for a number of overthrows deep during the season.

We cannot read the mind of his teammates or know what is covered, said and done in meetings or in practice. We do not know what is expected of his teammates on a play. Until we hear that its causing trouble in the locker room, this is simply assigning great meaning to something that likely is meaningless. We grant it great meaning because we can easily see it on the TV.

I loathe Peyton Manning. Moot point. And I agree about Brady. However, what I see Brady do a lot that I rarely see Aaron do is offer positive encouragement to his teammates. Getting in their face, and trying to pump them up.....being vocal and animated in a positive way towards them. But I never brought up Manning/Brady. And I don't care for all their antics either.

You can say its meaningless, but you have no evidence of that. Logically, I would argue it is more likely to mean something. I saw a lot of tension on this team last year. If you didn't see that, you weren't paying attention. Not putting even the bulk of the blame on Aaron, but he needs to lead by example.

[yetisnowman]

Your analysis is flat out dumb. I doubt you watch the games and post this sophomoric BS just to stir the pot. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

Oh here's the guy that when he disagrees with an assessment he likes to accuse me of not watching games. Remember when I said the Vikings would be our toughest competition in the division last year? You said the same thing, "Oh I just realized you don't watch football". Ooops, maybe its you who doesn't watch the games? Or maybe if you disagree with my assessment, counter with a healthy discussion, instead of being a cranky douchebag about it?

[mraynrand]

However, what I see Brady do a lot that I rarely see Aaron do is offer positive encouragement to his teammates. Getting in their face, and trying to pump them up.....being vocal and animated in a positive way towards them.

It's interesting that we see different things

[Upnorth]

Leadership. Interesting topic. If you really think about the leaders in your life how do they show good leadership? Have you seen them during times of major stress?
Real leadership on teams occurs on a day in day out basis. Real leaders show real emotions across the spectrum but tend to show steady control and their true nature most of the time. Real leaders are critical of themselves as well as others appropriately, while holding themselves to the highest standards.
Real leaders expect the best of themselves and those around them.
From what I have seen Aaron is one of the leaders before during and after the game, who occasionally over reacts due to error. I have never met a true leader who has not made mistakes.
He is not perfect, but I have heard him take more responsibility for error in press conferences than blame others. His 'tantrums ' o the sidelines do occur, but not as often as his encouragement of others, from the games I have watched.

[yetisnowman]

It's interesting that we see different things

I'm not talking about celebrating after a score. I'm talking about on the sideline, pregame, talking to the o-line, d-line, whomever it may be.....smacking their pads, trying to fire them up. Do you see Aaron doing that often?
Also, if Aaron had 6 superbowl appearances and 4 rings....I would find it much easier to pay no mind to these kind of things.

[yetisnowman]

I just found that last year, and last year only, I was bothered by the frequency he was whining and visibly annoyed/frustrated. That's all . If you disagree, fine. Not a big deal.