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  • #31
    http://www.draftseason.com/2016/03/0...-jack-conklin/ Here's one person who says Conklin is better.

    Here's a Football's Future forum thread that adds Spriggs to the discussion. http://www2.footballsfuture.com/phpB...er=asc&start=0
    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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    • #32
      I haven't watched Bretsky's clips, but that MSU tape would not encourage me to take Lee in the first round. I don't see Shazier. I see a guy without a position in the Pros.

      Now this is not my specialty, projecting to the Pros. I have been wrong before and will be wrong again. But I see a project in that MSU tape position wise.

      One good thing is that he is sound in his gap assignments, is willing to take on a blocker to hold a gap and let others make the play. He also plays the field (wide side of field) so he is comfortable in some space. But I don't see an ILB. Maybe Dime backer.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
        Reggie Ragland - ILB Alabama
        yup

        not spectacular, but very good all around hard nosed 3 down ILB

        reminds me of haha, you watch the tapes and you don't see huge flashy plays, but you see a solid very dependable player who doesn't make mistakes

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        • #34
          Originally posted by smuggler View Post
          Not that Decker is a bona-fide first rounder...
          I think he is... I like him a lot better than Conklin. Wouldn't be disappointed at all if the pick was Decker... that said, I don't think he'll be there.
          wist

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ThunderDan View Post
            Reggie Ragland - ILB Alabama
            Originally posted by red View Post
            yup

            not spectacular, but very good all around hard nosed 3 down ILB

            reminds me of haha, you watch the tapes and you don't see huge flashy plays, but you see a solid very dependable player who doesn't make mistakes
            I thought he was a no-brainer too, and expected that he'd likely not be there at our pick.

            That said, I've heard more than one report saying he has ballooned up to a sloppy 260. Listening to PFT, he's been sliding down draft boards.

            As for what he can do for the Packers - if anything, he needs to shed a few pounds from what was his playing weight at Bama last year. If he's inclined to get even bigger than he was last year - then I would certainly drop him well down my board.

            We already have pluggers - what we are lacking that the ILB position is speed, coverage ability, and versatility. Ryan and Barrington are both one-trick ponies, and both are a terrible liability playing in space.
            wist

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            • #36
              Originally posted by smuggler View Post
              I have a good feeling about Billings.


              Check out this article from when Billings was coming out of high school in TX. He was a man child of strength, and now has three more years of experience to go with that strength. He could become another Vince Wilfork, with even more up field skills.
              "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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              • #37
                Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                I thought he was a no-brainer too, and expected that he'd likely not be there at our pick.

                That said, I've heard more than one report saying he has ballooned up to a sloppy 260. Listening to PFT, he's been sliding down draft boards.

                As for what he can do for the Packers - if anything, he needs to shed a few pounds from what was his playing weight at Bama last year. If he's inclined to get even bigger than he was last year - then I would certainly drop him well down my board.

                We already have pluggers - what we are lacking that the ILB position is speed, coverage ability, and versatility. Ryan and Barrington are both one-trick ponies, and both are a terrible liability playing in space.
                Wist, would you be happy to get either Decker or Billings at 27 and then Deion Jones in the 2nd round? Something I read today said that Conklin is way more versatile as far as being able to play LT or RT, while some consider Decker to only be a RT.
                "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                • #38
                  Here's a collection of Packer mock drafts in one place. A lot of Andrew Billings...I like it. http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/s...illings-030916

                  Of course there are some in the article who predict Reggie Ragland. Is he a three down linebacker, or do you have to take him off the field in subs? Here's one opinion that says the Packers should stay away from Ragland, and if what he's saying is true, I guess I'd agree that someone like Billings or another NT would be more valuable to take first. Gotta control the line of scrimmage and stop the run first.

                  https://lombardiave.com/2016/04/01/p...eggie-ragland/
                  Last edited by Carolina_Packer; 04-03-2016, 07:21 AM.
                  "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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                  • #39
                    The ILB discussion cracks me up. People want a 3-down thumper who can cover TEs and Running Backs. Good luck with that. What are there, maybe 5-10 in all the NFL? Good luck finding that at the bottom of the first. I wanted Shazier a couple years ago and the Packers didn't suck enough to get him. But even he struggles shedding blocks and tackling on running downs. Packers play nickel most of the time anyway. Just get a good larger defensive back who can tackle to 'replace' Hayward and you're much better off than trying to find the magical ILB who doesn't exist or isn't remotely available.
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                    • #40
                      ^ Right. That's why I'd like to see him grab the best big body DT available. A force in the middle soaking up blockers will make Ryan and Barrington better.

                      The guard situation will be solved in the fourth.

                      OT in the second?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
                        The ILB discussion cracks me up. People want a 3-down thumper who can cover TEs and Running Backs. Good luck with that. What are there, maybe 5-10 in all the NFL? Good luck finding that at the bottom of the first. I wanted Shazier a couple years ago and the Packers didn't suck enough to get him. But even he struggles shedding blocks and tackling on running downs. Packers play nickel most of the time anyway. Just get a good larger defensive back who can tackle to 'replace' Hayward and you're much better off than trying to find the magical ILB who doesn't exist or isn't remotely available.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by George Cumby View Post
                          ^ Right. That's why I'd like to see him grab the best big body DT available. A force in the middle soaking up blockers will make Ryan and Barrington better.

                          The guard situation will be solved in the fourth.

                          OT in the second?
                          no, no d- linemen in the first 3 rounds

                          d-linemen drafted by TT in the first 3 rounds

                          KHYRI THORNTON- Massive bust
                          datone jones- at this point after 3 seasons, BUST. had to be moved to OLB to get him on the field
                          Jerel Worthy- BUST
                          mike neal- bust as a d-lineman, was an OK OLB
                          raji- average at best never came close to living up to the high pick
                          justin harrell- massive bust

                          3 of those clowns were first round picks
                          2 were second rounders
                          and one worthless third

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by red View Post
                            no, no d- linemen in the first 3 rounds

                            d-linemen drafted by TT in the first 3 rounds

                            KHYRI THORNTON- Massive bust
                            datone jones- at this point after 3 seasons, BUST. had to be moved to OLB to get him on the field
                            Jerel Worthy- BUST
                            mike neal- bust as a d-lineman, was an OK OLB
                            raji- average at best never came close to living up to the high pick
                            justin harrell- massive bust

                            3 of those clowns were first round picks
                            2 were second rounders
                            and one worthless third
                            He's due.
                            One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                            John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Carolina_Packer View Post
                              Wist, would you be happy to get either Decker or Billings at 27 and then Deion Jones in the 2nd round? Something I read today said that Conklin is way more versatile as far as being able to play LT or RT, while some consider Decker to only be a RT.
                              I'd be fine with Decker or Billings... and I think you have that backward, the big question on Conklin is whether or not he can play LT - I don't think he can. I think he is a canned RT all the way. I like Decker much more as a LT.

                              Deion Jones in the 2nd?? I'd be okay with that - I think the guy can play. Still have Matt Judon and Jatavis Brown on my wish list too. Judon is projected as a 4th rounder.

                              There's a lot of depth through the first 2-3 rounds... I wouldn't panic on position.
                              wist

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