Who Should TT Pick In 1st Round? 1.0

[Carolina_Packer]

http://www.draftseason.com/2016/03/0...-jack-conklin/ Here's one person who says Conklin is better.

Here's a Football's Future forum thread that adds Spriggs to the discussion. http://www2.footballsfuture.com/phpB...er=asc&start=0

[pbmax]

I haven't watched Bretsky's clips, but that MSU tape would not encourage me to take Lee in the first round. I don't see Shazier. I see a guy without a position in the Pros.

Now this is not my specialty, projecting to the Pros. I have been wrong before and will be wrong again. But I see a project in that MSU tape position wise.

One good thing is that he is sound in his gap assignments, is willing to take on a blocker to hold a gap and let others make the play. He also plays the field (wide side of field) so he is comfortable in some space. But I don't see an ILB. Maybe Dime backer.

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Reggie Ragland - ILB Alabama

yup

not spectacular, but very good all around hard nosed 3 down ILB

reminds me of haha, you watch the tapes and you don't see huge flashy plays, but you see a solid very dependable player who doesn't make mistakes

[wist43]

Not that Decker is a bona-fide first rounder...

I think he is... I like him a lot better than Conklin. Wouldn't be disappointed at all if the pick was Decker... that said, I don't think he'll be there.

[wist43]

Reggie Ragland - ILB Alabama

yup

not spectacular, but very good all around hard nosed 3 down ILB

reminds me of haha, you watch the tapes and you don't see huge flashy plays, but you see a solid very dependable player who doesn't make mistakes

I thought he was a no-brainer too, and expected that he'd likely not be there at our pick.

That said, I've heard more than one report saying he has ballooned up to a sloppy 260. Listening to PFT, he's been sliding down draft boards.

As for what he can do for the Packers - if anything, he needs to shed a few pounds from what was his playing weight at Bama last year. If he's inclined to get even bigger than he was last year - then I would certainly drop him well down my board.

We already have pluggers - what we are lacking that the ILB position is speed, coverage ability, and versatility. Ryan and Barrington are both one-trick ponies, and both are a terrible liability playing in space.

[Carolina_Packer]

I have a good feeling about Billings.

http://www.ourdailybears.com/baylor-football-recruiting-2013/2013/3/23/4139908/baylor-2013-dt-andrew-billings-breaks-mark-henrys-state-powerlifting-record

Check out this article from when Billings was coming out of high school in TX. He was a man child of strength, and now has three more years of experience to go with that strength. He could become another Vince Wilfork, with even more up field skills.

[Carolina_Packer]

I thought he was a no-brainer too, and expected that he'd likely not be there at our pick.

That said, I've heard more than one report saying he has ballooned up to a sloppy 260. Listening to PFT, he's been sliding down draft boards.

As for what he can do for the Packers - if anything, he needs to shed a few pounds from what was his playing weight at Bama last year. If he's inclined to get even bigger than he was last year - then I would certainly drop him well down my board.

We already have pluggers - what we are lacking that the ILB position is speed, coverage ability, and versatility. Ryan and Barrington are both one-trick ponies, and both are a terrible liability playing in space.

Wist, would you be happy to get either Decker or Billings at 27 and then Deion Jones in the 2nd round? Something I read today said that Conklin is way more versatile as far as being able to play LT or RT, while some consider Decker to only be a RT.

[Carolina_Packer]

Here's a collection of Packer mock drafts in one place. A lot of Andrew Billings...I like it. http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/s...illings-030916

Of course there are some in the article who predict Reggie Ragland. Is he a three down linebacker, or do you have to take him off the field in subs? Here's one opinion that says the Packers should stay away from Ragland, and if what he's saying is true, I guess I'd agree that someone like Billings or another NT would be more valuable to take first. Gotta control the line of scrimmage and stop the run first.

https://lombardiave.com/2016/04/01/p...eggie-ragland/

[mraynrand]

The ILB discussion cracks me up. People want a 3-down thumper who can cover TEs and Running Backs. Good luck with that. What are there, maybe 5-10 in all the NFL? Good luck finding that at the bottom of the first. I wanted Shazier a couple years ago and the Packers didn't suck enough to get him. But even he struggles shedding blocks and tackling on running downs. Packers play nickel most of the time anyway. Just get a good larger defensive back who can tackle to 'replace' Hayward and you're much better off than trying to find the magical ILB who doesn't exist or isn't remotely available.

[George Cumby]

^ Right. That's why I'd like to see him grab the best big body DT available. A force in the middle soaking up blockers will make Ryan and Barrington better.

The guard situation will be solved in the fourth.

OT in the second?

[Fritz]

The ILB discussion cracks me up. People want a 3-down thumper who can cover TEs and Running Backs. Good luck with that. What are there, maybe 5-10 in all the NFL? Good luck finding that at the bottom of the first. I wanted Shazier a couple years ago and the Packers didn't suck enough to get him. But even he struggles shedding blocks and tackling on running downs. Packers play nickel most of the time anyway. Just get a good larger defensive back who can tackle to 'replace' Hayward and you're much better off than trying to find the magical ILB who doesn't exist or isn't remotely available.

I believe in unicorns.

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^ Right. That's why I'd like to see him grab the best big body DT available. A force in the middle soaking up blockers will make Ryan and Barrington better.

The guard situation will be solved in the fourth.

OT in the second?

no, no d- linemen in the first 3 rounds

d-linemen drafted by TT in the first 3 rounds

KHYRI THORNTON- Massive bust
datone jones- at this point after 3 seasons, BUST. had to be moved to OLB to get him on the field
Jerel Worthy- BUST
mike neal- bust as a d-lineman, was an OK OLB
raji- average at best never came close to living up to the high pick
justin harrell- massive bust

3 of those clowns were first round picks
2 were second rounders
and one worthless third

[Maxie the Taxi]

no, no d- linemen in the first 3 rounds

d-linemen drafted by TT in the first 3 rounds

KHYRI THORNTON- Massive bust
datone jones- at this point after 3 seasons, BUST. had to be moved to OLB to get him on the field
Jerel Worthy- BUST
mike neal- bust as a d-lineman, was an OK OLB
raji- average at best never came close to living up to the high pick
justin harrell- massive bust

3 of those clowns were first round picks
2 were second rounders
and one worthless third

He's due.

[wist43]

Wist, would you be happy to get either Decker or Billings at 27 and then Deion Jones in the 2nd round? Something I read today said that Conklin is way more versatile as far as being able to play LT or RT, while some consider Decker to only be a RT.

I'd be fine with Decker or Billings... and I think you have that backward, the big question on Conklin is whether or not he can play LT - I don't think he can. I think he is a canned RT all the way. I like Decker much more as a LT.

Deion Jones in the 2nd?? I'd be okay with that - I think the guy can play. Still have Matt Judon and Jatavis Brown on my wish list too. Judon is projected as a 4th rounder.

There's a lot of depth through the first 2-3 rounds... I wouldn't panic on position.