Official 2016 Offseason Workouts/OTA/Minicamp Thread

[Patler]

Interesting from the article, regarding Adam's MCL tear in the playoffs:

The lone upside to the injury, which turned out to be a torn medial collateral ligament and lingered into the offseason, was that it forced Adams to focus on his upper body during early offseason workouts, since he couldn’t run.

The result: He appeared visibly thicker in his chest and arms during Tuesday’s practice.

[Teamcheez1]

I'm getting tired of every article where the Packers make a roster move, they mention that John Kuhn would be still be available to sign. Enough!!!!

Cletidus Hunt and Gilbert Brown are still available for that matter, too. Maybe we should sign Greg Hardy.

[Pugger]

I'm getting tired of every article where the Packers make a roster move, they mention that John Kuhn would be still be available to sign. Enough!!!!

Cletidus Hunt and Gilbert Brown are still available for that matter, too. Maybe we should sign Greg Hardy.

You can tell it is the offseason where there isn't much to talk about.

[pbmax]

Matthews will still be on the move. Curious how this plays into using Perry, who will excel versus the run.

Capers won’t commit to playing Matthews exclusively outside, but that’s where he’ll start out.

“We just think that’s his base position,” Capers said. “But that doesn’t mean you might not see him slide and do some other things because we know he can do it and he can handle it mentally. The plans going in are to play him more outside. But as we get into the season, you never say never.”

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[pbmax]

Banjo got married. So we can look forward to ...

more Banjos!

I am my Father @CarlBradford54 6h6 hours ago
Major s/o to my boy @Chris1Banjo for getting married yesterday! May God bless you and your family forever! #OneLove

[Joemailman]

Matthews will still be on the move. Curious how this plays into using Perry, who will excel versus the run.



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Moving Matthews around makes it harder for teams to gameplan to stop him. Perry was quite effective late last year rushing the passer with Matthews inside. Moving Matthews inside just enables Pack to get one more pass rusher on the field.

[gbgary]

Moving Matthews around makes it harder for teams to gameplan to stop him. Perry was quite effective late last year rushing the passer with Matthews inside. Moving Matthews inside just enables Pack to get one more pass rusher on the field.

this.

[Fritz]

`````In that 2-4 that Wist loves, you could feature Matthews, Perry, Peppers, and Jones (or Elliot) and really keep the other side guessing as to which elephant will be covering the running back.

[wist43]

`````In that 2-4 that Wist loves, you could feature Matthews, Perry, Peppers, and Jones (or Elliot) and really keep the other side guessing as to which elephant will be covering the running back.

The facet of the 2-4 that I hate, is that dunderdummy plays it when the opponent is as likely to run as pass; when they run - we usually get run over and give up huge chunks of yardage on the ground. The opponent will take what you give them - why attempt to pass for 15 yds, when dunderdummy is willing to concede 15 yds on the ground??

If in that either/or situation, dunderdummy plays two fat guys in the middle (the Jumbo) in an attempt to deal with the run - then he is essentially giving up any hope of generating pressure up the middle, the ends/LBs predictably fly upfield, and the QB gets a comfortable pocket.

Add to the fact that he sees nothing wrong with abandoning the middle of the field... it's just mind-numbing stupidity and painful to watch.

Given our personnel, the 3-3 has been the better option for several years now.

[Carolina_Packer]

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

This is an interesting read. I wanted to know what the difference is between the two nickel subs, and this article explains it pretty well. It got me wondering whether the Packers ever run a 3-3-5 formation, as Wist suggests, and if not, why? Is it all about coaching preference, and does that influence how the defensive roster is built? What would it take for the Packers to run the 3-3 vs. the 2-4 nickel?

[wist43]

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/201...5-vs-the-3-3-5

This is an interesting read. I wanted to know what the difference is between the two nickel subs, and this article explains it pretty well. It got me wondering whether the Packers ever run a 3-3-5 formation, as Wist suggests, and if not, why? Is it all about coaching preference, and does that influence how the defensive roster is built? What would it take for the Packers to run the 3-3 vs. the 2-4 nickel?

Nice find, good article...

This is from the article, and it is what I have been saying for the past few years...

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

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"The 2-4-5 is ultimately a defense of specialization as the main pass-rushers are going to be the two stand-up edge rushers. The defense deploys them on the edge because that's the easiest way to utilize a pure pass-rusher and they aren't asked to do a great deal other than control the edge and provide pressure. The defensive tackles will tend to specialize in clogging up the interior and helping collapse the pocket while the linebackers are running free as support players.

Without access to the kind of elite pass-rushers that can attack the edge and overcome an offense's best efforts at pass protection, the 2-4-5 is not a superior nickel package. It can also struggle against the run if defensive tackles aren't sturdy or the linebackers are deficient. However, it is the simplest and best way to allow big, fast, and powerful athletes to impact the game and attack the quarterback.

The 3-3-5, or 8-3, is more a defense of versatility and disguise that will require the DL to all be strong at filling interior gaps and ideally decent or good at collapsing the pocket. The linebackers are not specialists but "jacks of all trades" that can be transformed into superior pass-rushers by virtue of the system disguising where they are blitzing from.

Without versatile and intelligent players, the 3-3 is dead in the water, but when those pieces are in place it can pick on offense's weaknesses with greater precision and bring pressure from all angles."

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We can assign our players to the responsibilities listed above, but there are variations with how dunderdummy runs things.

Going back to when he ran the "jumbo", Raji and Pickett didn't get any push at all, and as should have been obvious to everyone, our outside rushers would fly upfield and either leave the QB with a comfortable pocket, or massive escape lanes to the sides.

Worse still was dunderdummy's penchant for lining his DT's up over the outside shoulder of the G's, while the 2nd level LB's were pulled out of the middle with coverage responsibilities - the result is "abandoning the middle of the field". Don't know how many times that idiot did that, and we'd get smashed up the middle on the ground for 15-20 yds.

[wist43]

Another point to running either alignment in today's game, is that you need a speed LB in the Ryan Shazier, Telvin Smith, Shaq Thompson, Deon Jones mold.

Ted had plenty of opportunity to snag Smith, a player I was calling for TT to draft... Smith went in the 5th round, pick #144, when Ted took Carl Bradford in the 4th round, pick #121; Khyri Thorton in the 3rd round, pick #85; and TE Richard Rodgers in the 3rd round, pick #98

Thornton has been released and is flopping around the league; Bradford will be lucky to remain on the roster for another year, and has done exactly nothing; and Richard Rodgers is a the poster child for "pedestrian" TE's, and TT was forced to poke himself in the eye and actually sign a FA at the position.

While Telvin Smith is well on his way to being a star.

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TT would have had to move up to get Shazier or Thompson, but he spit on Jones twice in this draft. I don't mind him passing on Jones for Spriggs, but Clark in the 1st round (an Okay player) at the expense missing out on another speed LB is going to hurt us on the field again this year.

If you're going to take a guy like Clark in the 1st, when the position was uber-deep, and he was likely to still be there in the 2nd - and, missing out on Jones?? It doesn't make any sense.

We end up with Martinez in the 4th, but Martinez can't run anywhere near as well as Jones... I like Martinez, he's a smart and instinctive player; but then again so is Jake Ryan - who looked pretty terrible most of the time last year.

TT's vision for the ILB position isn't good at all.

[Carolina_Packer]

Nice find, good article...

This is from the article, and it is what I have been saying for the past few years...

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/5/1/8528407/modern-defense-and-the-2-4-5-vs-the-3-3-5

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"The 2-4-5 is ultimately a defense of specialization as the main pass-rushers are going to be the two stand-up edge rushers. The defense deploys them on the edge because that's the easiest way to utilize a pure pass-rusher and they aren't asked to do a great deal other than control the edge and provide pressure. The defensive tackles will tend to specialize in clogging up the interior and helping collapse the pocket while the linebackers are running free as support players.

Without access to the kind of elite pass-rushers that can attack the edge and overcome an offense's best efforts at pass protection, the 2-4-5 is not a superior nickel package. It can also struggle against the run if defensive tackles aren't sturdy or the linebackers are deficient. However, it is the simplest and best way to allow big, fast, and powerful athletes to impact the game and attack the quarterback.

The 3-3-5, or 8-3, is more a defense of versatility and disguise that will require the DL to all be strong at filling interior gaps and ideally decent or good at collapsing the pocket. The linebackers are not specialists but "jacks of all trades" that can be transformed into superior pass-rushers by virtue of the system disguising where they are blitzing from.

Without versatile and intelligent players, the 3-3 is dead in the water, but when those pieces are in place it can pick on offense's weaknesses with greater precision and bring pressure from all angles."

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We can assign our players to the responsibilities listed above, but there are variations with how dunderdummy runs things.

Going back to when he ran the "jumbo", Raji and Pickett didn't get any push at all, and as should have been obvious to everyone, our outside rushers would fly upfield and either leave the QB with a comfortable pocket, or massive escape lanes to the sides.

Worse still was dunderdummy's penchant for lining his DT's up over the outside shoulder of the G's, while the 2nd level LB's were pulled out of the middle with coverage responsibilities - the result is "abandoning the middle of the field". Don't know how many times that idiot did that, and we'd get smashed up the middle on the ground for 15-20 yds.

Is that what was getting them killed in the first half of the Jets game in 2014 when they had to come back from down 18? This article talks about how they were getting killed playing the "Quad" 4-3 alignment and after they switched to 4-3 "Under" with much better results. I also found this article when trying to study what others say about the Packers defense. http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/20...ive-adjustment Is that the same thing that made Matt Forte look like Walter Payton in week 1 last year?

[pbmax]

The facet of the 2-4 that I hate, is that dunderdummy plays it when the opponent is as likely to run as pass; when they run - we usually get run over and give up huge chunks of yardage on the ground. The opponent will take what you give them - why attempt to pass for 15 yds, when dunderdummy is willing to concede 15 yds on the ground??

If in that either/or situation, dunderdummy plays two fat guys in the middle (the Jumbo) in an attempt to deal with the run - then he is essentially giving up any hope of generating pressure up the middle, the ends/LBs predictably fly upfield, and the QB gets a comfortable pocket.

Add to the fact that he sees nothing wrong with abandoning the middle of the field... it's just mind-numbing stupidity and painful to watch.

Given our personnel, the 3-3 has been the better option for several years now.

Capers is matching personnel (3 wide) as well as run/pass likelihood. If you play base or run heavy, the offense wants to pass. If you play pass first, their run likelihood goes up (see Forte versus the Packers).

And I disagree about the match for the Packers players in a 3-3. There are few, if any, pass rush options to man the three down positions. Raji, Daniels and Jones would be the likely LOS and Jones has struggled mightily versus the run. Raji has not shown his pass rush regularly in a few years.

You need Matthews/Perry and Peppers on the outside for the pass rush alone. As that is job one, you make do if the offense chooses to run. It worked with Matthews in the middle. We'll see this year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Capers is matching personnel (3 wide) as well as run/pass likelihood. If you play base or run heavy, the offense wants to pass. If you play pass first, their run likelihood goes up (see Forte versus the Packers).

And I disagree about the match for the Packers players in a 3-3. There are few, if any, pass rush options to man the three down positions. Raji, Daniels and Jones would be the likely LOS and Jones has struggled mightily versus the run. Raji has not shown his pass rush regularly in a few years.

You need Matthews/Perry and Peppers on the outside for the pass rush alone. As that is job one, you make do if the offense chooses to run. It worked with Matthews in the middle. We'll see this year.

Agreed. It's all about your personnel. The Packers don't have the personnel to run a 3-3 front a lot. Most of the teams that play 3-4 base use a 2-4 front more than a 3-3 front. There are quite a few teams that play a 4-3 base that play 3-3 fronts, but those teams tend to have lighter, pass rushing type DL. 3-4 base teams tend to have more NT types who aren't great pass rushers. In reality, most teams are multiple nowadays. They'll mix in 3-4, 4-3, 3-3, 2-4, 4-2 at various times, but your personnel is going to determine what you play the most.