Packers Release Palmer

[George Cumby]

There once was a man named Wist,
Said Rand was of limp wrist,
Claimed he didn't like Hawk,
At this Patler did balk,
His dogmatism does persist.

[hoosier]

Wist taking defeat with grace, LOL.

The big difference is between those who know how to laugh at themselves and those who do not. .

[esoxx]

There once was a man from Nantucket...

[wist43]

What mud slinging? You claimed to have never liked Hawk. My impression was different from your postings at the time.
"In particular, I like Hawk and Hodge quite a bit".

Pardon me. I completely forgot that you tend to acquiesce so often. You typically don't like to be controversial.

I liked Hawk about 8% of the time - how's that for a qualification??

Here's some homework for you, since you and everyone else it seems like to crawl up my ass... it should be enjoyable work - go back and find the 92% of posts in which I tear Hawk down

[wist43]

Man, is it hard to find posts from 10 years ago... I commend all of y'alls dedication to eye poking.

I'm not a big Hawk fan, but as I said in another thread - the guys who we think belong in the rotation, but seemingly played like shit last year, have to be given a pass for circumstances beyond their control, i.e. the mess that was Green Bay's front seven in positions 6 thru 13.

Assume Raji, Pickett, Matthews, Bishop, and Hawk are players - who else contributed anything?? Not only could the Packers not field 7 NFL calibur starters, they got no benefit from any rotation, nor any boost from sub packages. Walden, Wynn, Wilson, Neal, Jones, Francios, and Zombo - combined!!! contributed nothing.

Hence TT's reaction in the 2012 draft.

Whether Hawk hangs on to a starting gig or not is irrelevent; what matters is that whoever is manning that starting spot is making plays. The days of slow reads, false steps, missed tackles, and no impact plays have to come to an end.

We definitely need upgrades at both ILB positions, but of course 1265 doesn't agree.

I reluctantly signed off on the Hawk pick b/c I figured he at least wouldn't be a bust, but he's underperformed even what I expected. Most Packerrats expected he'd be a probowler, but I just didn't see it. He had great stats in college, but when I watched him in college he didn't look dynamic at all. He garbaged into sacks, and he looked average in every way to me - he's proven to be just that as a pro.

I wanted Vernon Davis or Ngata in that draft as I remember, and both have been much better than Hawk. Hawk hasn't been a bust per se, but you need to get more out of a #5 pick. Hopefully both he and Brad Jones will be gone next year, and we can start over at ILB.

2005 - The one guy I remember wanting was Justin Tuck. Liked Odell Thurman, with the caveat that he might be undraftable b/c of character.

Didn't like the Rodgers pick at all b/c I wanted defensive help to make one last push toward a SB while we still had Favre. The odds that Rodgers would become the best QB in the league were long, and with more defense we might have been able to get 1 SB with Favre.

2006 - Wanted Davis or Ngata.

2009 - Wanted Raji, was okay with Matthews. TJ Lang is an average starter, but he's in the lineup.

2010 - No complaints with this draft.

2011 - Hated the Sherrod pick. Our defense needed a lot of help, and TT all but ignored it. Setting an NFL record for passing yds allowed futility led to The Great Panic of 2012, i.e. TT all-defense 2012 draft.

2012 - TT's panic draft. We'll see how it works out. I like a lot of the players, but Capers has breathed in too much hair spraypaint and is perfectly capable of making a mess it.

2013 - TT needs another 'panic draft'. This time focused on both lines and LB's.

The run defense sucked last night not because of Hawk, but in addition to Hawk.

HHC-D too-often looked like a rookie safety still needing to learn how to tackle NFL running backs in the open (which, of course, he is).
The other DBs also had their embarrassing moments as well.
LBs other than Hawk were no where to be seen near the line of scrimmage, and when seen they were carried for 2-5 yards before getting Ingram down.
The D-line was not stacking things up, or being disruptive to blocking patterns. Either would have helped.

Hawk may have been awful in run D last night, but so was everyone else at one time or another.

How could you say such disrespectful things about our vaunted defense??

This could go on forever

[Patler]

I liked Hawk about 8% of the time - how's that for a qualification??

Here's some homework for you, since you and everyone else it seems like to crawl up my ass... it should be enjoyable work - go back and find the 92% of posts in which I tear Hawk down

Nah. I remembered a couple things you had said, searched words and terms, found them and was done Probably spent no more than five minutes finding them. I don't care enough about your remarks to spend anymore time than that on it. That should be apparent from how infrequently I reply to your rants.

[Fritz]

Of course our opinions about players change - which is why your attacks wrt Hawk are a misrepresentation.

I wanted Hawk to be good, but figured he'd be average. I didn't want him at #5, but acquiesced b/c I figured he wouldn't be a complete bust.

If you went back and took an honest look, something I know you have no interest in, you'd see that is how my view of Hawk evolved.

Mud slinging and eye poking is more fun than being honest though - I'll agree with you there

Patler's "attack" consisted of copying and pasting your own words about Hawk and then Rodgers. Your response was that you really didn't mean those words the way they sounded. Later, your response was to attack Patler about how poor his player evaluation skills were, then to drop some name-calling on Ayn.


You sound like a politician, dude.

[Patler]

Man, is it hard to find posts from 10 years ago... I commend all of y'alls dedication to eye poking.

(Three quotes by Wist43 of himself not included)

Not sure what you thought the quotes you added from yourself were supposed to prove. The first refers to the draft of 2012 in the past, The second refers to Brad Jones as a starter at ILB, so also sometime during or after 2012. The third refers to the 2012 draft in the past, and 2013 as coming. Hawk was drafted in 2006. So, after watching him play for seven years, you decided Hawk wasn't a great starter.

My quotes of you about Hawk were from 2006, right after he was drafted, at which time you seemed to like him. The fact that seven years later you said you never liked him doesn't mean much in view of your contemporaneous statements from when he was drafted.

[Fritz]

Speaking of the original thread topic, I am glad Nate Palmer is gone. He added nothing.

I expect an ILB will be drafted, though probably not as high as we might wish. Then TT will maybe draft another in the seventh, or more likely just sign a couple UDFA's.

But I'm glad Palmer is gone. Hope he saved some of his money and has a good life. Seemed like a decent enough guy.

[wist43]

Not sure what you thought the quotes you added from yourself were supposed to prove. The first refers to the draft of 2012 in the past, The second refers to Brad Jones as a starter at ILB, so also sometime during or after 2012. The third refers to the 2012 draft in the past, and 2013 as coming. Hawk was drafted in 2006. So, after watching him play for seven years, you decided Hawk wasn't a great starter.

My quotes of you about Hawk were from 2006, right after he was drafted, at which time you seemed to like him. The fact that seven years later you said you never liked him doesn't mean much in view of your contemporaneous statements from when he was drafted.

Now you're calling me a liar?? Seriously, WTF is with you Patler?? How in the fuck did I get sucked into this with you??

Couldn't find any quotes from 2006 - you seem to be better at finding old threads than I am. When I did a search, I didn't even come up with the link you first threw out there, so I have no idea how to find my quotes about that draft.

I know where I stood on Hawk, and I fought with all of you pinheads for quite a while b/c you all wanted him - while I wanted Ngata or Davis (of those 3, Hawk was the worst). If I had any tech skills at all - which I don't, lol - I'd be able to find the threads. As it is, it isn't worth anymore effort, so I'm done with you.

Love ya

[wist43]

Speaking of the original thread topic, I am glad Nate Palmer is gone. He added nothing.

I expect an ILB will be drafted, though probably not as high as we might wish. Then TT will maybe draft another in the seventh, or more likely just sign a couple UDFA's.

But I'm glad Palmer is gone. Hope he saved some of his money and has a good life. Seemed like a decent enough guy.

Why?? Why would you expect that TT will draft an ILB??

TT is just as likely to draft all offensive players, and spit on the defense - like he did in 2011. We were in desperate need of defense in 2011, and TT didn't lift a finger - he simply spit on that side of the ball, and fielded one of the worst defenses in league history.

TT is just as likely to draft 6 WR's, 2 RB's, and QB... and then prattle on endlessly about "quality football players", and "... that's the way our board fell".

Here's the 2011 draft - at a time when anyone with eyes could see the defense was going to fall off mightily. 5 of the first 6 picks were offense.

Derrick Sherrod, OT, (of course, a complete bust)
Randall Cobb, WR, (good value)
Alex Green, RB, (I liked him coming out, but he was a bust too)
Devon House (injuries, didn't get anything out of him)
DJ Williams, TE, (bad pick)
Caleb Schlauderaff, OL, (terrible pick)
DJ Williams, LB, (cup of coffee, bartending now)
Ricky Elmore, DE/LB, (terrible pick)
Ryan Taylor, TE, (why bother even making the pick?)
Lawrence Guy, DE, (nothing)

That's one hell of a terrible draft - and with it of course, an NFL record for pass defense futility. I don't think the stats, horrid as they were, can begin to quantify how bad that defense was.

TT will draft according to his board, and if we're lucky his board might intersect with need... that's just the way it is with TT.

[smuggler]

House played okay when he was on the field for us, providing depth and now a comp pick. DJ Smith (ILB) played pretty darn well before that fat fuck Texans tackle dove into the side of his knee and ended his career. Schlaudershit was traded for a draft pick, after we realized he sucked. Taylor helped on special teams. Guy is still playing in the NFL after getting poached from our practice squad. Sherry smelled bad before his devastating leg injury, sure, but it was pretty catastrophic and removed all doubt. Yes, that draft was bad, but not quite as terrible when you examine it more closely.

[pbmax]

Given the focus that the defense has gotten the last two drafts +, I would be OK with an offensive focus if it sifts out that way.

[mraynrand]

I know where I stood on Hawk, and I fought with all of you pinheads for quite a while b/c you all wanted him - while I wanted Ngata or Davis (of those 3, Hawk was the worst). If I had any tech skills at all - which I don't, lol - I'd be able to find the threads. As it is, it isn't worth anymore effort, so I'm done with you.

Your memory is as bad as your temper!

There were many, myself included, who wanted Davis. TT drafted himself. Bob McGinn made a strong case for trading down and getting Ngata. I liked the idea, but I wanted a difference-maker; didn't think Ngata would be that guy. Some liked that move. I'm not certain if you were one of them....

[mraynrand]

It wouldn't bother me in the least if TT didn't draft an ILB. I'd much prefer a 'tweener' DB(safety) who is a little bigger and maybe a hair slower, but can tackle and maybe shed a block or two. Because: passing league.