Round 2

[Rastak]

NFL Draft Diamonds @DraftDiamonds 11s12 seconds ago
Hackenberg to Jets

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LOL



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@JManziel2
You guys act like what I'm doing is something new. I've been the same person, doing the same things since it all started.

the only idiot in that whole deal is the browns for picking the clown in the first place

guy was a total train wreck in college too. it was there for the whole world to see. no excuses

[Cheesehead Craig]

With all the hoopla over ILB needs, I looked at 14 other teams that play the 3-4 and took a look at their starters (per the NFL depth chart). Here's where they came from:

Rd 1 - 5 (Pittsburgh has 2 of them)
Rd 2 - 8
Rd 3 - 4
Rd 4 - 1
Rd 5 - 2
Rd 6 - 1
UDFA - 6

So it seems the majority of the starters at ILB do come in the 1st or 2nd round. I'm surprised at the number of UDFA. But thought I would share this to help out with the discussion. This does not include the Packers, as I wanted to see where the rest of the league was. So it would appear that TT needs to put some more emphasis on those first 3 rounds for ILB. Betting on a later round or UDFA seems like hope, and hope is not a good strategy.

The Packers ILB are a 4th and a 7th.

[Rastak]

Jets:

5. CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG | Penn State 6043|223 lbs|3JR Palmyra, Va. (Fork Union) 2/14/1995 (age 21) #14
YEAR (GP/GS) CP-ATT CP% YDS TD INT CAR YDS AVG TD GRADE 4th Round 2013: (12/12) 231-392 58.9 2,955 20 10 49 -68 -1.4 4 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 | Hand: 09 | Wingspan: 77 3/4 2014: (13/13) 270-484 55.8 2,977 12 15 93 -94 -1.0 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.78 | 10-YD: 1.64 | 20-YD: 2.82 | VJ: 31 | BJ: 09’06” | SS: 4.33 | 3C: 7.04 2015: (13/13) 192-359 53.5 2,525 16 6 66 -80 -1.2 2 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) Total: (38/38) 693-1,235 56.1 8,457 48 31 208 -242 -1.2 6

BACKGROUND: A five-star quarterback recruit out of high school, Hackenberg was the top quarterback recruit in the 2013 class and received scholarship offers very early in his high school career, ultimately choosing Penn State over Alabama, Florida and others – chose the Nittany Lions because of head coach Bill O’Brien and his offense. He won the starting job as a true freshman in 2013 (12 starts) and earned Thompson-Randel El Big Ten Freshman of the Year honors. He set new school records for a freshman with 231 completions, 2,955 passing yards and a career-best 20 touchdowns, earning Freshman All-America honors. With O’Brien off to the NFL after the 2013 season, Hackenberg struggled to adjust to the new coaching staff, throwing a career-high 15 interceptions as a sophomore in 2014, adding 55.8% completions and a personal-best 2,977 passing yards. He started all 13 games as a junior in 2015 and set career-lows in completion percentage (53.5%) and passing yards (2,525), but did improve his touchdown-to-interception ratio (16-to-6). Hackenberg elected to forego his senior season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft.

STRENGTHS: Ideal physical build and height for the position…live arm to rip lasers with above average velocity and zip…effortless deep ball thrower and able to make throws other quarterbacks are physically unable to make…toughness isn’t a question with the size to take consistent punishment and bounce back…quick-footed athlete for his size to easily move in the pocket or stretch his legs and throw from different platforms – clean footwork in his three, five and seven step drops…experienced taking snaps under center with pro-style concepts…two-year team captain (second youngest player to be elected captain in school history) and viewed as a leader in the locker room…well-respected on campus, especially for the way he handled adversity with the sanctions (helped keep 2013 recruiting class together) and the struggles with the coaching change…durable and didn’t miss a start the last three seasons (21-17 record as a starter)…leaves Penn State with school records for career passing yards (8,457), completions (693) and 300-yard passing games (nine).

WEAKNESSES: Nonexistent feel in the pocket, struggling to navigate around the noise…slow to process and late reading coverages…too relaxed and needs to show more urgency from snap to release…immature eye use, staring down targets and predetermining throws, which leads to baffling decisions…wasn’t
consistently asked to make whole field reads or work sideline-to-sideline in his progressions…upper and lower half mechanics are often on different pages, affecting his overall accuracy…doesn’t need to drive his hips to add zip on throws, but improved follow through motion will help his precision…methodical set-up and delivery, but often out of rhythm…highly inconsistent ball placement and downfield touch, struggling to control his ball speeds – completion percentage dropped each season…deer in headlights when blitzed – often sees it coming, but doesn’t make the proper adjustments pre- or post-snap…played behind a shaky offensive line (sacked 103 times in his career), but too many of those hits were of his own doing, holding the ball too long and clamming up under pressure…confidence needs rebuilt…quick-footed athlete for his size, but won’t routinely evade pressures with a bad habit of retreating and getting lost…ball security needs improved (17 career fumbles)…didn’t miss a game in college, but missed the second half of his final game (Jan. 2016) due to a sprained right shoulder – not considered serious, but needs cleared.

SUMMARY: A three-year starter, Hackenberg had a promising freshman campaign in 2013 under the guidance of Bill O’Brien, but his development regressed with the new coaches the past two seasons – both coaching staffs used traditional, pro-style schemes, mostly I-formation and under center snaps. He didn’t receive much help from his surroundings the past two years with questionable play-calling, inconsistent weapons and a leaky offensive line, but Hackenberg deserves plenty of blame as well. Although he has special arm talent, the tape shows flawed decision-making, poor pocket awareness and streaky accuracy due to unstable mechanics. There is no question that Hackenberg will benefit from NFL coaching, but the game still moves at light speed for him and hasn’t shown signs of slowing down – is he already damaged goods? Overall, the physical traits and arm strength are ideal for the NFL, but Hackenberg doesn’t show a natural feel for the game and lacks a strong grasp in three critical areas of playing the position: touch, placement and decision-making – will be overdrafted in the top-50, but the tape shows a mid-round project.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Clark was at #22 for me. Spriggs was #36.

[Guiness]

My prediction for tonights Rounds 2 and 3 of the 2016 NFL Draft::

Whatever TT does I think most of Packer Nation's first reactionary words will be one of these:

a) Whhhhhaaaaat ..as in ...Whhhhhaaaaat the HELL !

b) Yoooouuuuuuu....as in....Yoooouuuuuuu Dumb Ass !

c) Fuuuuuuucccck ! .......... Red's neighbours will hear that scream.

Incredibly, none of these things seemed to happen! Wist wasn't enthused, but he didn't even swear.

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With all the hoopla over ILB needs, I looked at 14 other teams that play the 3-4 and took a look at their starters (per the NFL depth chart). Here's where they came from:

Rd 1 - 5 (Pittsburgh has 2 of them)
Rd 2 - 8
Rd 3 - 4
Rd 4 - 1
Rd 5 - 2
Rd 6 - 1
UDFA - 6

So it seems the majority of the starters at ILB do come in the 1st or 2nd round. I'm surprised at the number of UDFA. But thought I would share this to help out with the discussion. This does not include the Packers, as I wanted to see where the rest of the league was. So it would appear that TT needs to put some more emphasis on those first 3 rounds for ILB. Betting on a later round or UDFA seems like hope, and hope is not a good strategy.

The Packers ILB are a 4th and a 7th.

[Rastak]

NFL Draft Diamonds @DraftDiamonds 27s27 seconds ago
Deion Jones from LSU to Falcons

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LOL

TJ Lang @TJLang70 12m12 minutes ago
Welcome Spriggs! I chew skoal wintergreen and like my coffee 2 creams, 2 sugars.

[pbmax]

Jets are just terrible at picking QB.

[Rastak]

Falcons:

8. DEION JONES | LSU 6007|222 lbs|4SR New Orleans, La. (Jesuit) 11/4/1994 (age 21) #45
YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 2nd-3rd Round 2012: (13/0) 23 3.0 0.0 0 0 0 MEASUREABLES Arm: 32 3/8 | Hand: 09 1/4 | Wingspan: 77 1/4 2013: (13/0) 15 1.0 0.0 0 0 0 COMBINE 40-YD: 4.59 | 10-YD: 1.60 | 20-YD: 2.67 | VJ: 33 | BJ: 10’00” 2014: (13/1) 27 3.5 0.0 0 1 0 PRO DAY 40-YD: 4.39 | 10-YD: 1.52 | 20-YD: 2.52 | BP: 16 | VJ: 35.5 | SS: 4.26 | 3C: 7.13 2015: (12/11) 100 13.5 5.0 1 5 2 Total: (51/12) 165 21.0 5.0 1 6 2

BACKGROUND: A three-star linebacker recruit, Deion “Debo” Jones received interest from TCU, Arizona and several others, but LSU was his “dream school” and once Les Miles offered him, he committed to the Tigers – nicknamed “Debo” after his father’s favorite two athletes: Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson. He carved out a key special teams role as a true freshman with 23 tackles over 13 games, earning the Wild Tiger Trophy for the most special teams production. Jones was stuck behind Lamin Barrow on the depth chart as a sophomore and played all 13 games on special teams, recording 15 tackles. He was Kwon Alexander’s back-up in 2014 and earned his first start as a junior, finishing with 27 tackles and 3.5 tackles for loss. With Alexander off to the NFL, Jones took over the starting weakside linebacker job as a senior and led the team with 100 tackles and 13.0 tackles for loss, adding five passes defended and two interceptions. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.

STRENGTHS: Reliable reactive athleticism to go from A-to-B in a hurry…strong plant-and-drive burst once he sees it…plays with range and decisive strides to stick to tight ends and backs in coverage – even lined up at cornerback on some snaps…above average straight-line speed and lateral quickness for the position…active, but limits mistakes and plays patient, allowing plays to develop…high football I.Q. and understands his responsibilities…fierce hands to fight through blockers and find the ballcarrier, staying low and on his feet…physical tackler with aggressive limbs to finish…special teams standout due to his speed, vision and toughness – spent first three seasons primarily as special teams coverages, but didn’t gripe, maintaining a positive mindset…earned praise from his coaches for his ability and commitment to the team – (LSU head coach Les Miles: “He’s a very bright kid and one of the fastest guys on our team”).

WEAKNESSES: Slender shoulders and waist for the position, lacking ideal build…too patient at times vs. the run, losing outside contain or allowing blockers to gain leverage…aggressive fighting through blocks, but take-on strength is average and needs to improve his shed strategy…lowers his eyes and loses his target at times as a tackler, which creates an inconsistent strike zone…needs to clean up his striking technique with a bad habit of leading with his helmet – ejected from 2015 Auburn game for targeting…ballskills are a work-in-progress…needs to improve his communication in coverage to prevent busts…only one season as a starter (12 career starts).

SUMMARY: A one-year starter, Jones took over the weakside linebacker role as a senior in LSU’s 4-2-5 scheme, playing every down and on special teams – rarely left the field. He struggled to crack the starting line-up over his first three seasons in Baton Rouge, but stayed upbeat and controlled what he could, standing out on special teams coverages. Although undersized, Jones has fluid athleticism to play sideline-to-sideline and stay within arms-length of pass-catchers in coverage. He is football smart, but plays hesitant at times and doesn’t always trust what he sees due to his lack of defensive reps. Jones is at-worst a productive special teamer at the next level, but he also has starting potential in the right role due to his athleticism to cover the entire field vs. the pass and the run – top-64 draft pick.

[pbmax]

Sal Maiorana @salmaiorana 2m2 minutes ago
I think #Bills fans should be glad Hackenberg just got picked by the Jets because it means the Bills can't pick him. I still like Cook tho

[Rastak]

Looks like either Bell or Billings will be there for Vikings....maybe Cravens or Cody Whitehair

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can we get rid of barclay now please?

[pittstang5]

Ha HA - TJ Lang is a riot!!