Everything you need to know about TT's Third Round Pick... OLB Kyler Fackrell.

[3irty1]

Brady Poppinga?

Other than being a mormon pass rusher I don't see it. Poppinga the prospect was more like Andy Mulumba. A physical bull in a china shop type with a decent first step but who made his money on being willing to sacrifice his body.

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McGinn mentioned that some scouts felt Fackrell hasn't been as athletic since his knee injury. TT didn't see a discernible difference.

That smacks of the kind of criticism you can never be marked down for. Because if he later demonstrates you as wrong, you can say it took X months to recover.

After thinking about this pick last night (I really need a new hobby) I kinda doubt that speed in the 4.62-4.72 range is going to make in it man coverage. Maybe all but the most TEs over the middle. He's tall enough to negate one aspect of their advantage.

What is the normal speed range you want for an ILB in coverage? Probably more like 4.5-4.6, right?

If he has played safety, maybe his anticipation is better than most. But knowing just the basics (and not having watched the tape), I kinda get a SAM backer feeling about his measurables, like Poppinga. Similar underwear or not.

[3irty1]

That smacks of the kind of criticism you can never be marked down for. Because if he later demonstrates you as wrong, you can say it took X months to recover.

After thinking about this pick last night (I really need a new hobby) I kinda doubt that speed in the 4.62-4.72 range is going to make in it man coverage. Maybe all but the most TEs over the middle. He's tall enough to negate one aspect of their advantage.

What is the normal speed range you want for an ILB in coverage? Probably more like 4.5-4.6, right?

If he has played safety, maybe his anticipation is better than most. But knowing just the basics, I kinda get a SAM backer feeling about him, like Poppinga. Similar underwear or not.

I'd take a 3-cone under 7 over a 4.5 40 from a coverage ILB all day long. Fackrell has neither in shorts but if he's one of those mythical 'football steps' guys whose speed translates well to the field he's plenty fast. His length can hide some sins too; he looks and moves like a giant long safety. Poppinga was much thicker and physical and for all his coverage faults he could really excel playing a gap. Fackrell doesn't look like he'd last long trying to be Poppinga.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That smacks of the kind of criticism you can never be marked down for. Because if he later demonstrates you as wrong, you can say it took X months to recover.

After thinking about this pick last night (I really need a new hobby) I kinda doubt that speed in the 4.62-4.72 range is going to make in it man coverage. Maybe all but the most TEs over the middle. He's tall enough to negate one aspect of their advantage.

What is the normal speed range you want for an ILB in coverage? Probably more like 4.5-4.6, right?

If he has played safety, maybe his anticipation is better than most. But knowing just the basics (and not having watched the tape), I kinda get a SAM backer feeling about his measurables, like Poppinga. Similar underwear or not.

4.5-4.6 at ILB? Outside of Darron Jones (who is an athletic freak like a Ryan Shazier) and Deion Jones at 222 pounds, there were none of those guys in this draft. Joshua Perry actually had the best 40 time outside of those two, and he ran 4.68. Then, you have B.J. Goodson at 4.69 and Blake Martinez at 4.71. Fackrell, Nick Vigil, and Reggie Ragland would be next at 4.72. The other 18 ILBs that I evaluated ran worse. Fackrell is a better overall athlete than Ragland. Much better in the 3 cone, vertical, and broad jump. Plus, he's 4 inches taller.

I'm not totally enamored with the pick because I did have some other guys ranked higher (although I had Fackrell on my short list). Fackrell is old for a rookie and he needs to get stronger, so there are concerns, but I don't think athleticism is one of the concerns. He's a solid athlete for both an OLB and ILB. Not sure he can play ILB though because of the lack of strength. My reports say he's better than you'd think (not great, but not bad) taking on blocks and tackling, despite the lack of strength.

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^ OK, well then, maybe he does get a shot.

For what its worth, Packer Report said their Scout.com review of OLBs ranked him as one of the best against the run and his tackling.

Packer Report @PackerReport 12h12 hours ago
Fackrell one of the better run defenders at the position. Also ranked as the top tackler (in terms of tackles per miss)


BTW 3irty1, he is Poppinga!

Green Bay Packers @packers 12h12 hours ago
3rd-round pick Kyler Fackrell will wear #51 for the #Packers. #PackersDraft

[Fritz]

He was #5 on McGinn's list of outside linebackers. By the time you get around to late 3rd round picks, there will be seemingly strong negatives or at least a lack of superlatives for every player. If there weren't, they would be first or high second round picks. You just hope that added maturity, coaching and development wins out.

GB needs more depth at LB, both inside and outside. This guy seems to be one of the better prospects at those positions in this draft. TT can pick only from the players available. For those reasons, I don't mind the pick. He might be another Abdul Hodge, Aaron Rouse or Alex Green. On the other hand, he could turn out to be a James Jones, Jermichael Finley or Morgan Burnette. He's a third round pick. He might be a contributor, or he might not.

True, but at the time the consensus was that Finley had great upside. This guy is more like Richard Rodgers. He'll play but he's not a big consistent playmaker.

[Maxie the Taxi]

^ OK, well then, maybe he does get a shot.

For what its worth, Packer Report said their Scout.com review of OLBs ranked him as one of the best against the run and his tackling.

Packer Report @PackerReport 12h12 hours ago
Fackrell one of the better run defenders at the position. Also ranked as the top tackler (in terms of tackles per miss)


BTW 3irty1, he is Poppinga!

Green Bay Packers @packers 12h12 hours ago
3rd-round pick Kyler Fackrell will wear #51 for the #Packers. #PackersDraft

Wasn't Poppinga from BYU as well. I bet Fackrell did that on purpose. He's that kind of kid. Shades of Tebow.

[woodbuck27]

Jean Harlow

Draft dat one !

[woodbuck27]

^ OK, well then, maybe he does get a shot.

For what its worth, Packer Report said their Scout.com review of OLBs ranked him as one of the best against the run and his tackling.

Packer Report @PackerReport 12h12 hours ago
Fackrell one of the better run defenders at the position. Also ranked as the top tackler (in terms of tackles per miss)


BTW 3irty1, he is Poppinga!

Green Bay Packers @packers 12h12 hours ago
3rd-round pick Kyler Fackrell will wear #51 for the #Packers. #PackersDraft

Fackrell sounds like some sort of medication.

I'll nickname him:

Kyler 'Medicine Man' Fackrell.

[HarveyWallbangers]

If Fackrell weren't a good athlete, he wouldn't have been a 3rd round pick (who some projected to the 2nd round). Old, weak, and unathletic wouldn't have been too appealing.

This is what Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com (who I respect a lot) said:

88. Green Bay Packers: Kyler Fackrell, LB, Utah State
NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah: "He is very loose and bendy to wrap around blocks and pursue from the back side. He's versatile in the passing game. He can run and mirror tight ends and he's an explosive blitzer. Overall, this is a very athletic edge defender with the ability to make plays on all three downs."

[3irty1]

Let's not conflate our Tebow loons with our BYU, Utah, and Utah St. loons. My apologies for culturally appropriating the term 'loons' from FYI.

[wist43]

True, but at the time the consensus was that Finley had great upside. This guy is more like Richard Rodgers. He'll play but he's not a big consistent playmaker.

That seems to be the standard for this draft - good, try-hard football players, fundamentally sound, just never going to set the world on fire.

It seems like the only one that has the potential to exceed average is Spriggs.

[mraynrand]

Fackrell sounds like some sort of medication.

I'll nickname him:

Kyler 'Medicine Man' Fackrell.

I kinda like Holy Fackrell!

[mraynrand]

Let's not conflate our Tebow loons with our BYU, Utah, and Utah St. loons. My apologies for culturally appropriating the term 'loons' from FYI.

loonist

[pbmax]

Let's get back to discussing Jean Harlow's eyebrows.

Was she mad at them? Did they not survive the coloring?