Official 2016 Training Camp Thread

[KYPack]

Janis is a cipher. On one hand, you've got a ton of physical talent and (rare) Caucasian speed.

OTOH, he is STILL green and a mess mentally at times. His mental makeup bounces from disinterested to lost. He is either looking around trying to catch up with the other boys or not paying attention. When he finally figures out what's up and they call a route that he understands and matches his talent, he can be a bitch.

He's in the big year, the 3rd season.

It's his time to get going

[VegasPackFan]

Janis. I think if he wasn't so damn good at ST's, he'd be a cut this year. But they can be a little more patient since he can contribute significantly in one phase of the game for them.

[gbgary]

I suspect his ST prowess will ensure he makes the team not unlike Jarrett Bush did all those years.

i don't know about that anymore. if davis or allison clearly have better camps than him i think he's gone.

[Fritz]

I dunno. They're going to try like hell to harness that talent before they let him go. My guess is that he gets one more season to show that he can play the game at this level.

[GBkrzygrl]

Janis is a cipher. On one hand, you've got a ton of physical talent and (rare) Caucasian speed.

OTOH, he is STILL green and a mess mentally at times. His mental makeup bounces from disinterested to lost. He is either looking around trying to catch up with the other boys or not paying attention. When he finally figures out what's up and they call a route that he understands and matches his talent, he can be a bitch.

He's in the big year, the 3rd season.

It's his time to get going

Just out of curiosity where did you get the info that he was not paying attention.

I am still going to wait until the preseason games to see how he does. If he can't do it, he can't do it. But I would hate for him to be one of those guys that we cut and he goes to another team and does phenomenally well.

[call_me_ishmael]

Sounds like the Cal rookie has come back down to earth. Probably stash him on PS and you've got your 6. Monty is practicing much earlier than I expected him to for having a major surgery in the off-season.

[texaspackerbacker]

It would be an absolute damn shame to throw away Janis. He is gonna be a star-quality player, and I really HOPE it is for the Packers. They should have done a much better job of using and developing him than they have up to now.

[red]

you can't fix stupid

it seems like janis' only issue is between his head. he just can't figure the game out, can't read defenses. if he hasn't come close to figuring it out in 2 years, i have serious doubts he can

[dsilby]

It would be an absolute damn shame to throw away Janis. He is gonna be a star-quality player, and I really HOPE it is for the Packers. They should have done a much better job of using and developing him than they have up to now.

Before I laugh, what do you mean by "star" player?
I think Janis can be a very good special teams player and who knows, maybe a pro bowl special teams player. I guess that is possible. So if that's what you mean, I can possibly agree.

But no way at all is Janis a pro bowl "Star" WR.
It's bizarre that you're blaming Green Bay for Janis's inability to develop. Janis is the perfect example of a player with a lot of ability and a 10 cent brain. He has decent hands and fast as lightning. But Janis still a few years later has not learned the playbook. He still can't run proper routes and still has no idea where to line up or where to make his breaks. That is not the Packers fault, it's Janis not being able to grasp it. Look at all the other receivers, they seem to get it just fine. Packers WR's not knowing the system is not common practice, it's not been a problem. But for Janis, he just doesn't get it. I wish he did though, that would make the team deeper.

[dsilby]

Sounds like the Cal rookie has come back down to earth. Probably stash him on PS and you've got your 6. Monty is practicing much earlier than I expected him to for having a major surgery in the off-season.

Only problem with the PS is I highly doubt he makes it there without another team picking him up.

[Joemailman]

Before I laugh, what do you mean by "star" player?
I think Janis can be a very good special teams player and who knows, maybe a pro bowl special teams player. I guess that is possible. So if that's what you mean, I can possibly agree.

But no way at all is Janis a pro bowl "Star" WR.
It's bizarre that you're blaming Green Bay for Janis's inability to develop. Janis is the perfect example of a player with a lot of ability and a 10 cent brain. He has decent hands and fast as lightning. But Janis still a few years later has not learned the playbook. He still can't run proper routes and still has no idea where to line up or where to make his breaks. That is not the Packers fault, it's Janis not being able to grasp it. Look at all the other receivers, they seem to get it just fine. Packers WR's not knowing the system is not common practice, it's not been a problem. But for Janis, he just doesn't get it. I wish he did though, that would make the team deeper.

Only problem with the PS is I highly doubt he makes it there without another team picking him up.

Agree on both counts. Janis is in his 3rd year and doesn't seem to be making progress. He needs to understand that Arod doesn't play a lot in preseason games, so he needs to develop a rapport in practice.

Trevor Davis was a 5th round pick, so other teams probably had him on their radar. Doubtful he would make it to PS if released. Right now Geronimo Allison is probably ahead of Janis.

[texaspackerbacker]

Before I laugh, what do you mean by "star" player?
I think Janis can be a very good special teams player and who knows, maybe a pro bowl special teams player. I guess that is possible. So if that's what you mean, I can possibly agree.

But no way at all is Janis a pro bowl "Star" WR.
It's bizarre that you're blaming Green Bay for Janis's inability to develop. Janis is the perfect example of a player with a lot of ability and a 10 cent brain. He has decent hands and fast as lightning. But Janis still a few years later has not learned the playbook. He still can't run proper routes and still has no idea where to line up or where to make his breaks. That is not the Packers fault, it's Janis not being able to grasp it. Look at all the other receivers, they seem to get it just fine. Packers WR's not knowing the system is not common practice, it's not been a problem. But for Janis, he just doesn't get it. I wish he did though, that would make the team deeper.

Janis is gonna be an all-pro wide receiver - mark my words, hopefully for the Packers, but if they fritter away his career and let him go, unfortunately for somebody else. If his problem is mental - not comprehending that offense, that is on the coaches, and hell yeah, it is fixable. If his problem is attitudinal, that too is on the coaches. I would assume there have been a LOT of outstanding wide receivers through the years that were world class dumbasses and/or crap attitude players. The first name that comes to mind is Dez Bryant, but I'm sure there have been a ton of others. That should NOT stop a guy with raw talent from developing.

[Rutnstrut]

Janis is far from stupid. If they would put the same energy into him as they have Adams, he would be much farther along.

[dsilby]

Janis is gonna be an all-pro wide receiver - mark my words, hopefully for the Packers, but if they fritter away his career and let him go, unfortunately for somebody else. If his problem is mental - not comprehending that offense, that is on the coaches, and hell yeah, it is fixable. If his problem is attitudinal, that too is on the coaches. I would assume there have been a LOT of outstanding wide receivers through the years that were world class dumbasses and/or crap attitude players. The first name that comes to mind is Dez Bryant, but I'm sure there have been a ton of others. That should NOT stop a guy with raw talent from developing.

Wow
Are you saying Janis could be like Dez Bryant with the right coaching staff?
Are you telling me that Dez Bryant is a dumbass? How do you know this? And I mean football smarts, not street smarts.

Jeff Janis has a wonderlic score of 30, he is not a dumbass.

The problem is, he has a big problem figuring out this system and where he needs to be, nobody else seems to have a problem. You can blame the coaching staff all you want, but don't you think they are doing everything possible for Janis to help him out. At what point is it the players fault?

Jeff was a late 7th round pick in 2014. I have absolutely no idea what you've seen from him besides the hail mary catch to think he's a pro bowl receiver.
But God love your optimism.

[dsilby]

Janis is far from stupid. If they would put the same energy into him as they have Adams, he would be much farther along.

What does this mean?
I want to know how you know exactly what's happening in the film room and on the field, etc...