2016 Deep Thoughts

[Rutnstrut]

Is Charles Woodson enough to make me watch ESPN football coverage that still contains Berman (and no Tom Jackson)?

Ironically, the factor tipping it in its favor might be Randy Moss.

I can't stand Berman. But actually liked the others on there last night when they were covering the game that wasn't.

[Rutnstrut]

If GB wins one SB under TT, as they did under Wolfe, why shouldn't TT be as acclaimed as Wolfe?

I honestly think it's because Wolf seems to be a more likeable person than Ted.

[Bretsky]

If GB wins one SB under TT, as they did under Wolfe, why shouldn't TT be as acclaimed as Wolfe?

Are you asking for argumentative sake, or is this how you feel ?

Wolf made the moves to turn around a lost failing organization. That carries a little more weight with me.

[Radagast]

Nah, we're right where Ted wants us - a perennial 10-6 team that is always just out of reach of the prize. Yes, 2010 was a "fart in the wind" - a deep thought from Ron Wolfe

I tend to agree that TT is the spokesperson for the Status Que . The 2010 SB victory just goes to show that even despite our best efforts , fate sometimes overrules mediocrity . I have a good feeling about the 2016 Packers fate .

Although TT is the spokesperson for the Status Que , IMO , he will always be Tightwad Ted .

[yetisnowman]

Are you asking for argumentative sake, or is this how you feel ?

Wolf made the moves to turn around a lost failing organization. That carries a little more weight with me.

This x1000. Also the face of the organization for almost 2 decades was someone Wolf went out of his way for and took a big chance on. Whereas Ted had Rodgers fall into his lap. Maybe not totally fair, but Wolf will always be perceived as savvy, and Ted will be perceived as lucky.

[Patler]

I honestly think it's because Wolf seems to be a more likeable person than Ted.

I do too, especially among the media crew covering the Packers. Wolf gave them good copy, lots of quotes, often just a line of b.s., but they didn't care. TT gives them very little. Wolf was warm and personable with the media. TT is guarded, but seems to be loosening up with some just a little the last couple years.

[Patler]

Are you asking for argumentative sake, or is this how you feel ?

Wolf made the moves to turn around a lost failing organization. That carries a little more weight with me.

In many ways I do. There are many similarities between them. In some ways, I think Wolf gets a little too much credit and TT too little for what they did and what happened during their times.

[Patler]

This x1000. Also the face of the organization for almost 2 decades was someone Wolf went out of his way for and took a big chance on. Whereas Ted had Rodgers fall into his lap. Maybe not totally fair, but Wolf will always be perceived as savvy, and Ted will be perceived as lucky.

Wolf spent no more on Favre than TT did on Rodgers. Each was a risk for their own reasons. Rodgers came from a long line of seemingly top notch NFL prospects, all of whom failed. Some went so far as saying they would never invest a 1st round pick in a Tetford QB.

Who took the bigger risk, Wolf for trading a first round pick to get Favre, or TT in closing the door on Favre's return and hitching the franchise to an unproven Rodgers? Wolf risked a first round pick, an investment that often returns less than hoped and not infrequently returns very little. TT risked the remaining years of a HoF QB who seemed not to have lost much. If Wolf had been wrong he was out a first round draft pick, it happens regularly. If TT had been wrong, he threw away the most critical position on the team, likely playoff opportunities and probably his own longevity with the Packers.

[pbmax]

Wolf needed a QB, though to be fair, some lunk headed Packers fans were still in love with Majik and didn't like the trade.

No one had QB in their list of priorities in the first round with the 24th pick for Thompson. That is zigging when you looked to be zagging.

The idea that Rodgers fell into Thompson's lap is ludicrous because it only makes sense in hindsight and it serves no purpose but to rob Thompson of the perfect best athlete available pick. Knowing what we know now, Wolf was lucky that Herock and Glanville were so dumb as to not realize what they had in Favre AND that 32 teams were dumb enough to pass on him in the first round.

[Fritz]

Packer fans have been blessed for many years now with Two GM's who really knew how to run a franchise. I grew up watching the Packers from about 1969 and suffered through many, many, many years of bad football teams - in sum, a poor organization. Wolf changed everything. Kudos to him. Thompson came in and was faced with Mike Sherman's ginormous cap mess - the classic diarrhea-spattered bathroom disaster. Anyone remember the fiasco of the offensive line? He took some steps that made Packer fans angry - some thought this team just needed a few players to get back on track, and neglected to realize that this was what Sherman had been thinking too - thus the mess. Thompson made unpopular moves, and now Green Bay is considered again one of the top organizations in football.

Both great GM's. And as Wolf noted, they worked in different eras. Wolf worked in an era that suited his style - you could go out and grab a big free agent, you could make mid-season trades and grab a Keith Jackson. He's said himself he left in part because the changes to the NFL system seemed stifling and that he didn't want to work in the new era of the cap. He probably wouldn't have done as well. Likewise, Thompson works well within the current system, but probably would not have been as good trying to operate in Wolf's era. Both suited to their times.

[hoosier]

Packer fans have been blessed for many years now with Two GM's who really knew how to run a franchise. I grew up watching the Packers from about 1969 and suffered through many, many, many years of bad football teams - in sum, a poor organization. Wolf changed everything. Kudos to him. Thompson came in and was faced with Mike Sherman's ginormous cap mess - the classic diarrhea-spattered bathroom disaster. Anyone remember the fiasco of the offensive line? He took some steps that made Packer fans angry - some thought this team just needed a few players to get back on track, and neglected to realize that this was what Sherman had been thinking too - thus the mess. Thompson made unpopular moves, and now Green Bay is considered again one of the top organizations in football.

Both great GM's. And as Wolf noted, they worked in different eras. Wolf worked in an era that suited his style - you could go out and grab a big free agent, you could make mid-season trades and grab a Keith Jackson. He's said himself he left in part because the changes to the NFL system seemed stifling and that he didn't want to work in the new era of the cap. He probably wouldn't have done as well. Likewise, Thompson works well within the current system, but probably would not have been as good trying to operate in Wolf's era. Both suited to their times.

Last line is a great point. Similar to players, it is hard to compare between generations. Probably even more so because whereas an athlete would still be an athlete in a different time, a GM's success or failure is partly determined by how he balances risk taking versus stability.

[Upnorth]

Sorry, Fritz just said what I was going to say, only better, so I have deleted my Post

[Harlan Huckleby]

I honestly think it's because Wolf seems to be a more likeable person than Ted.

The fans don't like Teddy? I suppose Wolf said some curmudgeonly entertaining things, but he was also a cold asshole in his treatment of players. What has TT ever done or said that anybody would have a negative feeling about him? Because he released Favre after Favre retired? Please.

[hoosier]

Sorry, Fritz just said what I was going to say, only better, so I have deleted my Post

Inexcusable.

[hoosier]

The fans don't like Teddy? I suppose Wolf said some curmudgeonly entertaining things, but he was also a cold asshole in his treatment of players. What has TT ever done or said that anybody would have a negative feeling about him? Because he released Favre after Favre retired? Please.

Are you serious? TT's mediatic charisma is approaching zero whereas Wolf always came across as a sage but pragmatic uncle. TT, by contrast, is the uncle who always sits in the corner on holidays and doesn't know what to say. Of course those are personas that may be quite different from who these people really are, but the public images of TT and Wolf are almost diametrically opposed.