Josh Sitton.

[wist43]

This regime has always been behind the curve at certain positions - the OL in general is one of them.

They're just as retarded about ILB, and defense in general.

Take away Aaron Rodgers, and everyone would have been calling for Ted's head years ago. QB may be the most important position in the league, but the Packers completely fall apart - as in completely - without Rodgers. That doesn't speak well of Ted's drafting philosophy and chops.

[pbmax]

Take away Aaron Rodgers, and everyone would have been calling for Ted's head years ago. QB may be the most important position in the league, but the Packers completely fall apart - as in completely - without Rodgers. That doesn't speak well of Ted's drafting philosophy and chops.

Take away any teams All Pro QB and everyone would be fired every two years. For my evidence, I give you the Cleveland Browns. Or the Bears.

[Fritz]

I just wished I saw the improvement in Taylor that apparently the coaches and Ted have seen. Because he looked abominable in 2 of the preseason games. Especially versus the Chefs.

What he said.

[wist43]

Take away any teams All Pro QB and everyone would be fired every two years. For my evidence, I give you the Cleveland Browns. Or the Bears.

Is NE likely to fall apart without Brady??

They lost him for an entire season, and went 10-6 with what proved to be a below average QB.

We lost the division last year, at home, against a team QB'd by Teddy Bridgewater... and that was with having our All-World QB under Center. What does that tell you??

Face facts guys, Green Bay is the most QB, 1 player dependent team in the league. We are average, to below average at just about every position - and that is on Ted.

It is what it is.

[vince]

This regime has always been behind the curve at certain positions - the OL in general is one of them.

They're just as retarded about ILB, and defense in general.

Take away Aaron Rodgers, and everyone would have been calling for Ted's head years ago. QB may be the most important position in the league, but the Packers completely fall apart - as in completely - without Rodgers. That doesn't speak well of Ted's drafting philosophy and chops.

What took you so long wist?

Thompson built what has become, when healthy, one of the best o-lines in the league. In general, he's proven to be among the top team builders in the league. Your assertion that the Packers are "behind the times" and void of talent outside the QB position is ridiculous IMO.

Their o-line has been ranked 10th, 4th, 5th and 3rd going into each of the last four seasons by PFF. Their overall record over the last decade speaks for itself.

Why not observe and learn from the masters of their profession rather than rushing to (mis)judge what you don't understand?

With 4 of the top 6 linemen having expiring contracts and physically declining players, it's clear a transition is occurring on the line.

What might be the most productive way to manage the transition?

Perhaps Ted might be showing us that the most effective way to do it is through incremental change and adaptation over time rather than revolutionary disruption all at once.

Some people choose to go for broke and then blow up the house when they're bankrupt. Ted likes his house and wants to keep updating and maintaining it. Sometimes that means you have to downsize a room here and there.

[George Cumby]

1) Sitton's back is worse than previously thought. .

I think this is probably the biggest factor.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The only way I can wrap my head around this is three things are true:

1) Sitton's back is worse than previously thought. We know it affected him on the field last year and that it dictated his offseason.

2) 6.85M is about fair market value for a solid starter, and cheap for a resume like Sitton's. This move must really help the beancounting of next years free agent exodus. If cap space alone were the reason, they would have cut him months ago.

3) When Ted said "best for the team and growth of the offensive line" he wasn't talking about youth for the sake of youth with turds like Lane Taylor or Barclay. For the team to grow in any meaningful sense this gets a guy with serious potential on the field. Put me in the Bak, Spriggs doubleswitch camp.

I'm with you on #1 and #2. I think #2 is most likely. They want money freed up to sign extensions now to put less burden on the future cap. I wonder if he was offered to take a pay cut. I wish #3 was true, but why wait until the final day to do this?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Looks like former Packers' Pro Bowl G Josh Sitton's first visit will be to...division-rival Chicago Bears, per sources. Saints could follow
9:01 AM - 4 Sep 2016

I'd be okay with this. That team will be bad with or without Sitton. Better the Bears than Seattle. I don't see a need in Minnesota. Boone and Fusco are solid.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Everyone stop panicking. He is a Guard. Not a starting QB. If Daryn Colledge can get you to the NFCCG, then this is survivable.

The dynamic duo of Klemm and his sidekick Whitticker couldn't get the Pack the NCCG.

Not saying we will go 4-12 this season without Sitton, but sometimes when you underestimate a position, as Thompson did at OG back in '05, it comes back to bite you in the ass. Favre would've been sacked perhaps 100 - plus times if not for his quick release. I like to joke at the local comedy club that Favre and Brady get rid of the football faster than I last during coition.

[wist43]

I think this is probably the biggest factor.

I think the biggest factor wrt the Packers final roster is always Ted's ego... he'd rather tinker around with prospects than keep a good solid vet on the team. Salary cap has nothing to do with it.

Our roster, top-bottom, is average... Rodgers is the only thing that makes us a contender.

Man for man, sans Rodgers, I'd take Minnesota's roster over ours in a heartbeat.

[pbmax]

Is NE likely to fall apart without Brady??

They lost him for an entire season, and went 10-6 with what proved to be a below average QB.

AFC East is what happened. How did the non-Bradys do in the playoffs?

They finished behind the Jets. The bleeping Jets. That's worse then finishing behind the Lions.

[Patler]

Last year the Packers fell apart with Rodgers, but without Nelson.

[pbmax]

The dynamic duo of Klemm and his sidekick Whitticker couldn't get the Pack the NCCG.

Not saying we will go 4-12 this season without Sitton, but sometimes when you underestimate a position, as Thompson did at OG back in '05, it comes back to bite you in the ass. Favre would've been sacked perhaps 100 - plus times if not for his quick release. I like to joke at the local comedy club that Favre and Brady get rid of the football faster than I last during coition.

Rebuilding can take more than one year.

[bobblehead]

I would be surprised if this happened because wouldn't he just go to FA and cash in at tackle rather than accept guard payment? I think it's clear they think he's the LT of the future, and they want to keep Tretter too.

I doubt there is a team in the NFL that is going to give Bach more money to play LT poorly than he would earn playing guard very well.

[Pugger]

Doesn't the veteran's salary become guaranteed when he is on the roster for the first game? In the past we have seen teams release a veteran on Saturday and resign him on Monday to get away from the guarantee if he is looked at as a backup, or otherwise not yet ready to play. Sitton may be on the street until a week from Monday.

The fact that GB intended to release Sitton didn't discourage teams from trading for him, his salary versus perceived value did. Trading for him ensures that you get him, and a low draft pick, or a conditional pick isn't much to pay for it. If you let the Packers cut him, you are competing against other teams to get him. The fact that no team was willing to trade for him shows that no team was willing to give up anything to ensure that they got him. Teams were willing to take their chances in not getting him.

This is what I find so surprising! Even if these other teams knew we were gonna cut him if a GM really wanted him they would have made a deal to ensure they got him.

I was listening to a pod cast of Wilde on Chewy's radio show earlier and Wilde said when he asked Sitton point blank the question on everyone's lips - "Why?" - all Josh would say is "ask my agent".