The Official Pack-Queens Discussion Thread

[run pMc]

Yep. I want Rodgers to have one with oozing talent at least once. Favre had Sterling and for a year Walker (I'm too young to remember how good Brooks was). Rodgers has had several that have maxed out their abilities, but no absolute talents.

I know a lot of people love Driver, but I always thought he was the quintessential "get the most out of your abilities" kind of guy.

I dunno. Jordy and Cobb are pretty talented. I do think Jordy is on the downside and they need someone else to step up. Adams needs to really show a lot of improvement, and Davis needs to develop. I'm not sure Janis will ever be more than what he is. Abbrederis is a "maxed out ability guy". Brooks was sneaky good, Sharpe was a beast...Freeman was pretty good too.

[King Friday]

I dunno. Jordy and Cobb are pretty talented. I do think Jordy is on the downside and they need someone else to step up. Adams needs to really show a lot of improvement, and Davis needs to develop. I'm not sure Janis will ever be more than what he is. Abbrederis is a "maxed out ability guy". Brooks was sneaky good, Sharpe was a beast...Freeman was pretty good too.

Freeman was average at best. He left Green Bay and VANISHED. His career (and also Bill Schroeder's) were entirely because Brett Favre was throwing them the ball. That is what makes Favre's 3 MVP streak stretch so amazing...because he had very little to work with at receiver compared to guys like Marino, Manning, Montana, etc. He's getting a nearly washed up guy like Don Beebe or Andre Rison thrown into the mix and still wasn't missing a beat.

Rodgers at least has had strong enough depth at WR, which Favre often did not have. Honestly, I think the Packers have plenty of talent at WR...they need a true receiver specific coach IMO. I was never a fan of putting Edgar Bennett in charge of the WRs, and I think our receivers have declined in their technique and discipline ever since...especially the young kids. Now we have a QB in charge of the WRs. I just don't get it.

[King Friday]

Offensive staff needs to get Cook involved more in the game plan. Gotta find a way to isolate Cook against LBers and safeties.

This I agree with completely. An athletic guy running up the seam makes life easier for everyone on offense. You have to get Cook involved this week.

[Patler]

I don't think it was the players...they should always be going all out because their paycheck depends on it.

It would be the coaches...in terms of play-calling, making substitutions, etc. I'm not saying that the Packers threw the game...but if it starts not looking like your day, are you really going to go all William Wallace to inspire the troops knowing it very, very likely means you'll be playing Seattle instead of Washington?

I remember saying before the game that week that I would rather lose and play Washington...it was BETTER for the Packers in terms of their chances to reach and win the Super Bowl. That is the ultimate decision maker IMO. You can't tell me that bit of knowledge was missing in the back of the minds of the coaches, and that it would not influence their decisions to SOME extent.

Maybe you wanted to lose the game, I can not believe any coach or player on the Packers felt that way.

Winning the division again would have been meaningful. Any momentum gained from a win would have been extremely valuable, especially in view of the way the season had gone for the Packers. Having lost at home already to Chicago and Detroit, losing to MN was also meaningful to the Packers in a very negative way. I can not believe that any GB coach or player wanted to do anything but win that game, and hopefully in a convincing way. There was nothing positive for the Packers from losing that game. Losing the division at home reinforced a lot of negative things surrounding the team last year. Winning would have given the coaches positive things to build on. Losing gave them nothing.

Besides, there was no reason to fear Seattle. Somehow you go through them or teams that beat them anyway. I think the Packers have Seattle figured out and they know that based on the last two times they have played them. Not that they will win every time, but they will should have opportunities to.

[Packgator]

I do think Jordy is on the downside

No way to know if Jordy is on the downside. Before this past game.....the last time Jordy was on the field playing he was a top 5 WR (in the league). Who knows if he's fully recovered, but if he is there is no reason to think he's on the downside (based on his play during his last full season).

[pbmax]

I played exactly one semester of competitive football, so I'll defer to the guys on the board who know, like Vince, kypack, harv, pb etc. But how does a football player -- especially a pro football player of any quality -- play less than balls out? I'd always heard that's an invitation to injury.

I played NO college ball, but going slower than normal can get you in trouble from unexpected places if everyone else is moving at 100%. Same as not keeping head on swivel.

But you can half ass it and still be where you were supposed to be. You can also not chase after play moves away from (or past) you. Lots of ways to save energy for later if you are not going all out.

[pbmax]

I think his weight changes daily. Maybe he is screwing with us by wearing padding. He looks in fighting trim here.

[pbmax]

Shields is out. Young guys get their chance. Across the board.

BTW, Ha Ha dominates, Packers win 24-12.

[RashanGary]

Lacy is a big guy. He reminded me of Bettis on Sunday. Big, but can change direction really well for his size and had good burst. That's a football player right there.

[RashanGary]

No way to know if Jordy is on the downside. Before this past game.....the last time Jordy was on the field playing he was a top 5 WR (in the league). Who knows if he's fully recovered, but if he is there is no reason to think he's on the downside (based on his play during his last full season).

Well, except that he was 29 then and he's 31 now. Also, he's coming off a major knee reconstruction that most players don't recover from fully until the 2nd year.

There is no way Jordy will be as good as he was. No way. Now Cobb, if healthy, he could bounce back all the way. He's our #1. I'd bet on it.

[Rutnstrut]

Well, except that he was 29 then and he's 31 now. Also, he's coming off a major knee reconstruction that most players don't recover from fully until the 2nd year.

There is no way Jordy will be as good as he was. No way. Now Cobb, if healthy, he could bounce back all the way. He's our #1. I'd bet on it.

Cobb MAY be a #1 in GB, but he's not good enough for that designation on most teams.

[RashanGary]

Cobb MAY be a #1 in GB, but he's not good enough for that designation on most teams.

The packers don't have a legit #1 outside receiver right now. But they have the QB, RB, OL and a lot of solid young guys with experience And if healrhy, they do have a top notch slot WR.

[Pugger]

No way to know if Jordy is on the downside. Before this past game.....the last time Jordy was on the field playing he was a top 5 WR (in the league). Who knows if he's fully recovered, but if he is there is no reason to think he's on the downside (based on his play during his last full season).

Jordy didn't play a single snap in the preseason so for all we know he could just be rusty and nothing more.

[MadScientist]

Must win game. Do it!
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-is-right-now/

[MadtownPacker]

What would you mofos say if it was Rodgers that got his leg jacked and Teddy B was playing in Lambeau on Sunday night?

So how the hell can you say the Vikings will win when they are missing their QB???

No fucking way, Packers take by 10+ points.