Do we have a Rodgers problem?

[pbmax]

I think you nailed it Max....what M3 and Arod have morphed into isn't working anymore. Is it time for a change?

I am headed that way.

Scott Kacsmar @FO_ScottKacsmar 43m43 minutes ago
Maybe the best comparison I can offer for Rodgers is Brett Favre in 1999-2000. The high level of play did return after that.

The Good Tweet Guy @SportsTalkJoe
@FO_ScottKacsmar ironically 99-00 were favres 8-9 years as a starter just like 15-16 are years 8-9 as a starter for Rodgers

[HarveyWallbangers]

Let's give credit to Minnesota's defense. There are legit, and I've said that all offseason. They've spend a lot of high picks on that defense, and there is a lot of talent. Zimmer is a hell of a defensive coach too. Losing Rhodes hurt, but they have a lot of depth at DL, so the loss of Floyd isn't a big deal for that team.

[pbmax]

I do think they should get credit. The dome and the noise also explain the difficulty the tackles had. But we have seen this dance before in other venues.

[Pugger]

Hell No! Don't be a God damned imbecile.

We have an almost everything but Rodgers problem.

The only way the O Line was good is the lowered expectations we have come to have for them. Nelson looked slow; Adams was Adams - the picture of mediocrity; Cobb disappeared in the second half - (coverage shifted to him from Nelson?); We need to get Jeff Janis back - and have the coaches actually use him (Shit, what are the chances of that?)

I didn't think Jordy looked slow at all. It did appear he and AR are not on the same page. I saw Abby out there a couple of times but not Monty. Janis still has that club so we won't see him at WR for a while.

The O line issues were because they had to look away from the pass rusher to see when the ball was snapped and that gives the edge rushers a HUGE advantage and why Rodgers was strip-sacked 4 times. I hope Linsley is back soon. Until Tretter gets stronger he will be an issue in there against bigger D linemen.

[Pugger]

I do think they should get credit. The dome and the noise also explain the difficulty the tackles had. But we have seen this dance before in other venues.

I think we'll hear of other good QBs having issues in MN and that noise. After a slow start in FL last week he looked more like his old self in that game.

[smuggler]

I'm not disagreeing, but how is Bradford in perfect rhythm after two weeks with his team?

Because he has open receivers?

[George Cumby]

It is all Yoko's fucking fault.

This.

[pbmax]

Because he has open receivers?

That does help. Would really alleviate Rodgers struggle in pocket if people were open. There are three things holding the offense down. If one breaks free, the other two will solve themselves.

[Patler]

It depends what you mean by "problem". If you are relying on him to be the same QB that he was in 2012, 2013 and early 2014; then, yes there is a problem. He has not been that QB for a while now. I have been trying to explain that in an unemotional, reasoned way since during the 2015 season. At soon to be 33 years old, it is becoming more and more likely that AR and the Packers need to enter a new understanding of how to use his skills, which still are significant. It's not really even the skills that are the problem, it's the freedom (and deference) that he is given in how he carries out his responsibilities play to play.

The Packers very likely WILL have a decision to make two years from now, just as I have been saying for the last year. Should they keep their wagon hitched to the then soon to be 35 year old Aaron Rodgers, or embark on the next era with Brett Hundley (assuming the 2014 preseason was more than a mirage)? I had hoped that preseason 2016 would bring information for that decision, but due to Hundley's injury, it did not. Hopefully, 2017 will. Many QBs are basically hanging on after 35, and very few play at all, let alone play well in their late 30s. Finding AR's successor will not be easy, and if Hundley shows promise of being that, it might be unwise to let him walk out the door.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Rodgers imagines himself to be in the same club as 39-year-old Tom Brady.

[red]

fat mike has created a monster when it comes to a rod by letting him do whatever he feels like

there may be no fixing it at this point, at least with this staff

[Patler]

Rodgers imagines himself to be in the same club as 39-year-old Tom Brady.

Instead, he might be in the same club as the soon to be 33 year old Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Dan Fouts and Jim Kelly were in, within not too many years of the ends of their careers. Some, but not all that may QBs still play well at 38, 39 and older. Warren Moon, Brett Favre and Tom Brady are not the norm, and to be perfectly objective, we do not yet know if the 39 year old Tom Brady will be the same as the 38 year old Tom Brady. I think it was Jim Kelly who said for him and many other QBs he talked to, the beginning of the end happened quickly, over an off season. Things were fine when he left, when he came back the following season things just didn't "click" the same, and never did thereafter.

[Rutnstrut]

fat mike has created a monster when it comes to a rod by letting him do whatever he feels like

there may be no fixing it at this point, at least with this staff

That's true, and many here were on Favre for being the same. Funny how the same people don't call out the exalted one.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think Denver's experience with Manning is instructive. Realizing Manning's decline in some areas of his game, Denver reworked their offense to accommodate Manning. If GB keeps chalking up Arod's decline to being out of sync, receivers not getting open, bad execution, there is no reason to change the offensive approach. You can't solve a problem if you don't tell it like it is.

[Patler]

I think Denver's experience with Manning is instructive. Realizing Manning's decline in some areas of his game, Denver reworked their offense to accommodate Manning. If GB keeps chalking up Arod's decline to being out of sync, receivers not getting open, bad execution, there is no reason to change the offensive approach. You can't solve a problem if you don't tell it like it is.

Elway had a good blueprint to follow, Denver did the same thing at the end of his career.