Packers next receiver? KOREN ROBINSON???

[run pMc]

Maybe I should take back my comment re: Charles Rogers...he's already had a 4 game suspension.

[Rastak]

I don't think we'll get him anyway. I hear the Bengals have offered him a huge bonus if he relapses.

Yea, they are trying to figure out how to get both Charles Rogers and Koren Robinson on the roster as we speak I'm sure.....

[Terry]

Re: Win

Idle, he's a good guy, no question. What if he get's you a win then kills somebody?

The implications of your question beg the next question - do you think he should remain unemployed the rest of his life? But to be fair, I imagine a period of time should pass to see how he's getting on. But the fact would remain that he may wish to seek employment in that time span.

This short and cold answer to your question is if he gets you a win and then kills somebody is that then you've won and he's killed someone.

However, a better and more comprehensive answer was supplied by Idle, which you acknowledged. My only quibble with Idle's answer was the bit about legal liability. Yes, the Packers would have a PR nightmare on their hands, but there's no reason why they would be legally liable for anything their employees did during their off hours. I'd be curious to know if there has ever been a legal precedent for a company being sued or indicted for something an employee had done in their free time. I'm a little doubtful.

I do think your later comment was a good one. I hadn't thought about the "NFL lifestyle". I don't know much about it, but if North Dallas Forty was any kind of accurate indication, you definitely have a point. One would hope that teammates would look out for him in such a context. I don't know if there is anything else to the lifestyle that would tend to lead him astray.

It is also possible, I think one could argue, that if he were successful as a Packer, the fan worship and other payoffs from public success might be the type of factor that contributes to such a problem as Koren has. I don't know. One would have to ask a psychologist or a social services person I suppose.

[the_idle_threat]

I don't think the Packers should face legal liability if K-Rob were a Packer player and killed someone while driving drunk ... but depending upon the circumstances, the argument could be made.

Say K-Rob has a nip from the ol' flask, and boom---accident! Given his long history---some of it very recent and all of it a matter of public record---it may be argued that this was a known risk, and Green Bay was negligent in hiring this guy and bringing him into the community given the known risk that he's a drunk driver. After all, he would almost certainly not have been in Wisconsin had the Green Bay Packers not hired him.

Add the fact that he was driving home from a team social event or, alternatively, was leaving Lambeau late in the evening after a long film session (we know how dangerous the exit from the players' lot is) and there could be a winnable case.

Again, I don't think a case like this should be won, but do I think it can be won? Absolutely.

[Rastak]

I don't think the Packers should face legal liability if K-Rob were a Packer player and killed someone while driving drunk ... but depending upon the circumstances, the argument could be made.

Say K-Rob has a nip from the ol' flask, and boom---accident! Given his long history---some of it very recent and all of it a matter of public record---it may be argued that this was a known risk, and Green Bay was negligent in hiring this guy and bringing him into the community given the known risk that he's a drunk driver. After all, he would almost certainly not have been in Wisconsin had the Green Bay Packers not hired him.

Add the fact that he was driving home from a team social event or, alternatively, was leaving Lambeau late in the evening after a long film session (we know how dangerous the exit from the players' lot is) and there could be a winnable case.

Again, I don't think a case like this should be won, but do I think it can be won? Absolutely.

I was really referring to the PR nightmare myself. I doubt they would face any legal liability but how would it be to have every newspaper in the country saying "Packer kills family while driving drunk". Lots of people get DUI's so just becasue a guy does that he shouldn't be disqualified...I worry about this guy because of the appauling lack of judgement. 120 miles an hour running from the cops? He a bomb waiting to go off.

[Tony Oday]

Well Its not like Favre can go holier than thou he was a drunk and addicted to Vicodin. Shit happens they are human maybe it would be good for KRO to come here and hang out with guys like Favre that have been through it.

[pbmax]

interesting that tt brought in koren instead of charles rogers. if you notice, tt stays away from players with a history of injuries. alcoholism is a totally different animal, let's hope koren can get the help he needs whether he resumes his nfl career or not....

Fritz, T2 signed Woodson, who is quite familiar with the injury risk.

I think KRob is all about affordability versus talent. And the fact that he can kick return.

[mngolf19]

Just want opinions here but, most of you have stated that you think the (Vikings are a terrible franchise-the Packers are a model franchise) and yet the Vikings seem to be the ones trying to have a team of "good" people at least under Wilf. I couldn't argue too much with this in the past, but now if TT brings in Robininson.......

What makes that move ok? Even if you do need the WR/KR help?

[Scott Campbell]

Just want opinions here but, most of you have stated that you think the (Vikings are a terrible franchise-the Packers are a model franchise) and yet the Vikings seem to be the ones trying to have a team of "good" people at least under Wilf. I couldn't argue too much with this in the past, but now if TT brings in Robininson.......

What makes that move ok? Even if you do need the WR/KR help?

Well, he hasn't been signed here yet. So this is just a speculative what if at this point. I personally wouldn't support the move. I think every team has it's share of player issues - some a little more than others (cue Loveboat theme).

I think most people consider the Packers more of a model franchise than the Vikings for more objective reasons - the 3 Lombardi trophies for example.

[Willard]

Man I just watched the 2005 video of the vikes on ESPN, and I can understand why Rastak is so disappointed with the Robinson debacle. That dude has big play ability, and I am very happy he won't be in purple this season! He would be a talented return specialist and #3 WR for the Packers this year, but his signing would definitely go against the whole "Packer People" movement.

On the other hand, the Pack stood by Favre during his recovery (of course he was a MVP QB!) and that worked out well. This situation is different though. This guy has to pay the piper for his drunk driving arrest. That is a very selfish and regrettable crime, and it is a blessing nobody was killed. I don't think TT is taking a look at him only because of his considerable talent. I think these guys who have met Robinson genuinely like him, and want him to succeed. It is a tough road though. The stats show that less than 20% of all addicts who seek treatment ever kick their addiction, and the average person in recovery relapses 8 times before they finally figure it out. This dude will need enormous support to make it back. I have mixed feelings on whether it is worth it, but in my own selfish way I am happy he is not on the vikes either!

[MJZiggy]

You can't compare BF's situation with KR's though. The only common element is that of addiction, but Brett, having been in a serious wreck earlier either didn't drive drunk or never got caught at it, and when it became apparent that he was losing control with the vicodin, voluntarily went into rehab and never touched anything stronger than an Advil again. Robinson, when he got caught, went in to rehab and got caught again. I don't know how Favre managed to stay clean, but he managed it. Who knows whether Koren will be able to do the same. Was his last stint in rehab voluntary or did he go because the judge told him he had to? Maybe that's the difference. Did Holmgren stand by Favre because he admitted it on his own? Would he have dumped him (he wasn't HOF yet at that point) had he gotten caught driving or illegally using instead? Who knows? There's a ton of differences and factors you have to look at. Hey, maybe that's what they were talking about...

[GrnBay007]

What makes that move ok? Even if you do need the WR/KR help?

Because a move to the purity of Green Bay would most likely be very beneficial to a man in need......and you know, that's all we are concerned about....his health and well-being.


........oh yeah, and the fact we are coming off a 4-12 season and HATED it!!

[Scott Campbell]

Just want opinions here but, most of you have stated that you think the (Vikings are a terrible franchise-the Packers are a model franchise) and yet the Vikings seem to be the ones trying to have a team of "good" people at least under Wilf. I couldn't argue too much with this in the past, but now if TT brings in Robininson.......

What makes that move ok? Even if you do need the WR/KR help?

From PFT:

The Vikings have signed former Bucs LB Marquis Cooper, whose background of shoplifting and reckless driving charges doesn't seem to fit with the whole "turd-free" approach in Minnesota.

[Scott Campbell]

Randy Moss. Koren Robinson. And now this guy. The Vikings have had every lousy driver except Mr. Magoo.

[mngolf19]

Just want opinions here but, most of you have stated that you think the (Vikings are a terrible franchise-the Packers are a model franchise) and yet the Vikings seem to be the ones trying to have a team of "good" people at least under Wilf. I couldn't argue too much with this in the past, but now if TT brings in Robininson.......

What makes that move ok? Even if you do need the WR/KR help?

From PFT:

The Vikings have signed former Bucs LB Marquis Cooper, whose background of shoplifting and reckless driving charges doesn't seem to fit with the whole "turd-free" approach in Minnesota.

Scott, I didn't know that about Cooper. I don't know why they are bringing him in then either. You either go all the way with your housecleaning approach or don't do it at all.