More Banjo: Week 7 vs Bears

[Fritz]

A bit of hyperbole there. Up until this year the Packers themselves had a fairly capable 3rd string RB. Wasn't that Crockett before he got injured? And there were others before him. And obviously Kansas City had not only a 3rd string RB on the roster, but a 4th stringer: Knife Davis. I didn't check but a think just about all NFL teams carry a 3rd RB on the roster and then another on the practice squad.

And as far as a "guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy," he doesn't have to be next to "useless." Monty himself destroys that argument. And do I have to bring up guys like David Johnson and even Jordan Howard who is still listed on the Bears depth chart as their 3rd string RB. Guys like Howard were available in the draft and plentiful as free agents.

I think TT and Stubby reasoned Monty was their guy who could step in. Whether that makes sense is a whole nother issue.

Dann straight it's hyperbole! This is Packerrats, baby!

You do undermine your own argument - they did have a solid third stronger. He got hurt, Crockett did.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Dann straight it's hyperbole! This is Packerrats, baby!

You do undermine your own argument - they did have a solid third stronger. He got hurt, Crockett did.

And TT didn't replace him...And that's the issue...just saying.

[Harlan Huckleby]

A bit of hyperbole there. Up until this year the Packers themselves had a fairly capable 3rd string RB. Wasn't that Crockett before he got injured? And there were others before him. And obviously Kansas City had not only a 3rd string RB on the roster, but a 4th stringer: Knife Davis. I didn't check but a think just about all NFL teams carry a 3rd RB on the roster and then another on the practice squad.

And as far as a "guy-out-of-the-backfield-who-can-catch guy," he doesn't have to be next to "useless." Monty himself destroys that argument. And do I have to bring up guys like David Johnson and even Jordan Howard who is still listed on the Bears depth chart as their 3rd string RB. Guys like Howard were available in the draft and plentiful as free agents.

I think TT and Stubby reasoned Monty was their guy who could step in. Whether that makes sense is a whole nother issue.

Boom! Good smackdown.

[pbmax]

No one except Monty (and Adams if his guy is playing off) in the WR corp is beating press coverage decisively. The defenders are RARELY wrong footed or confused. Compare that to the Packer DBs, even before injuries.

That is because they KNOW what routes are being run because there are maybe four per receiver total, and maybe two per any personnel group, because it rarely varies and they almost never get forced off the press due to crossing routes or mesh points. I think I saw five instances of tight combo routes in 75 plays (one for a TD that should have been easier).

How many times was that rookie DB in Cobb's hip pocket on throws inside? There is no hesitation on their part.

So could Rodgers be more accurate? Yes. But why make all but five throws that difficult? Might that make you QB skittish, waiting for something to break MORE wide open and lead to more dropped balls from challenged receivers? Why make a difficult game MORE difficult?

See how all of this connects to the design of the stupid play? Think of the advantage the defense is giving you. EVERY team is playing man under. You know that going in. You can design an offense to abuse that choice for an entire half and scare teams into choosing something else. But no, let's bang our head against the wall of fundamentals.

I actually thought for two weeks he was going back to multiple personnel groups, but except for Monty in a new spot, the differing personnel were still all running isolation routes. There were a couple of receiver stacks, but the routes never collided.

A healthy Nelson makes this easier. But why rely on having an All-Pro as part of the design of the offense?

[ThunderDan]

Janis has to go if he continues what he was doing last night. He took a kick out of the end zone and got to the 15 yard line. He did cover one punt well but was helped by some good hang time.

The play that surprised me was the little flare to Janis on the goal line. He was running at full speed turned up to get into the end zone and the CB knocked him backwards and stopped him from scoring. If Janis is such and athletic freak he has to knock the CB back not vice versa.

[pbmax]

Janis has to go if he continues what he was doing last night. He took a kick out of the end zone and got to the 15 yard line. He did cover one punt well but was helped by some good hang time.

The play that surprised me was the little flare to Janis on the goal line. He was running at full speed turned up to get into the end zone and the CB knocked him backwards and stopped him from scoring. If Janis is such and athletic freak he has to knock the CB back not vice versa.

He also showed no gumption on his slant, where the ILB stood on his route (wonder how he knew) and held his ground.

Any other player worth his salt gets around a stationary defender, or, if the defender moves, reacts in such a way that pass interference is called. Janis just ran into him of his own volition and fell down.

[pbmax]

Red:

[Freak Out]

No one except Monty (and Adams if his guy is playing off) in the WR corp is beating press coverage decisively. The defenders are RARELY wrong footed or confused. Compare that to the Packer DBs, even before injuries.

That is because they KNOW what routes are being run because there are maybe four per receiver total, and maybe two per any personnel group, because it rarely varies and they almost never get forced off the press due to crossing routes or mesh points. I think I saw five instances of tight combo routes in 75 plays (one for a TD that should have been easier).

How many times was that rookie DB in Cobb's hip pocket on throws inside? There is no hesitation on their part.

So could Rodgers be more accurate? Yes. But why make all but five throws that difficult? Might that make you QB skittish, waiting for something to break MORE wide open and lead to more dropped balls from challenged receivers? Why make a difficult game MORE difficult?

See how all of this connects to the design of the stupid play? Think of the advantage the defense is giving you. EVERY team is playing man under. You know that going in. You can design an offense to abuse that choice for an entire half and scare teams into choosing something else. But no, let's bang our head against the wall of fundamentals.

I actually thought for two weeks he was going back to multiple personnel groups, but except for Monty in a new spot, the differing personnel were still all running isolation routes. There were a couple of receiver stacks, but the routes never collided.

A healthy Nelson makes this easier. But why rely on having an All-Pro as part of the design of the offense?

It blows me away our great coaching staff can't adapt to what the defense throws at them. It's embarrassing.

[Freak Out]

Red:

He hates the Eagles!

[pbmax]

^ Its Stubby.

[pbmax]

The Packers needed every rep they got out of Martinez after second-year linebacker Jake Ryan left in the second half and did not return.

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[ThunderDan]

He also showed no gumption on his slant, where the ILB stood on his route (wonder how he knew) and held his ground.

Any other player worth his salt gets around a stationary defender, or, if the defender moves, reacts in such a way that pass interference is called. Janis just ran into him of his own volition and fell down.

I didn't get the number of the player on that. Ugh, another crappy play. How does he just stop working his route and dump straight into the defender?

I was more mad at the no call until I saw the replay and saw the Bear's LB just standing there not grabbing the WR. Good no call ref.

[ThunderDan]

I meant bumped not dumped.

I couldn't believe there wasn't at least defensive holding. I mean what WR runs right into the other teams player and doesn't fight to get around him? I guess that would be Jeff Janis.

[pbmax]

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I don't understand how you can take advantage of this guy and not want the same thing out of the receivers lined up out wide.

[Freak Out]

Is the Stanford rookie WR not ready to contribute? Get the kid ready with these extra days.