8-10 overall; 4-5 at home, 4-5 on the road

[Patler]

In their last 18 games, since the bye week last year, GB's overall record is 8-10 and their record at home is 4-5. Except for brief spurts, the offense has been consistently mediocre, and too often flat out bad. Over two seasons and changing rosters, the team has showed little spark when needed. Both sides of the ball have lacked the fight necessary to win close games.

The players comments have not changed over more than a seasons worth of sub-500 play. ("we have the talent, we just need to play better.") Confidence is essential to success, but over-confidence leads to losses. Except for brief spurts, the offense hasn't really changed either. Yesterday looked much like many of the losses last year. Consistency is important for successful coaching, but a failure to recognize when something no longer works leads to losses.

It is often said that success in the NFl is achieved by playing .500 on the road and dominating at home. A team that is no better at home than it is on the road is likely a declining team that will be a bottom dweller soon unless things turn around quickly

If nothing changes the second half of 2016, and there is little reason to expect that it will, fundamental changes will be needed. That can be changes to the core of the team, or a change in the coaching staff. MM has had a long run, but for whatever reason, head coaches seem to have a shelf life that seldom lasts beyond 10-12 years with the same team.

[pbmax]

Its more than enough reason to make a change. But does Ted want that?

Perhaps more importantly, does Mark Murphy want that?

[Rutnstrut]

The time for this regime to act is past. They got way too content with the status quo, and now they are their way to sucktown.

[gbgary]

if nothing changes, after getting everyone healthy, then changes definitely need to be made.
at least we'll get a better draft pick.

[Pugger]

In their last 18 games, since the bye week last year, GB's overall record is 8-10 and their record at home is 4-5. Except for brief spurts, the offense has been consistently mediocre, and too often flat out bad. Over two seasons and changing rosters, the team has showed little spark when needed. Both sides of the ball have lacked the fight necessary to win close games.

The players comments have not changed over more than a seasons worth of sub-500 play. ("we have the talent, we just need to play better.") Confidence is essential to success, but over-confidence leads to losses. Except for brief spurts, the offense hasn't really changed either. Yesterday looked much like many of the losses last year. Consistency is important for successful coaching, but a failure to recognize when something no longer works leads to losses.

It is often said that success in the NFl is achieved by playing .500 on the road and dominating at home. A team that is no better at home than it is on the road is likely a declining team that will be a bottom dweller soon unless things turn around quickly

If nothing changes the second half of 2016, and there is little reason to expect that it will, fundamental changes will be needed. That can be changes to the core of the team, or a change in the coaching staff. MM has had a long run, but for whatever reason, head coaches seem to have a shelf life that seldom lasts beyond 10-12 years with the same team.

If things continue to go to hell will Murphy tell Ted to retire and have Eliot Wolf clean house and get a new staff in here? You are right, HCs do have a shelf life so perhaps it is time for a different approach while we still have a few more years with AR.

[Freak Out]

if nothing changes, after getting everyone healthy, then changes definitely need to be made.
at least we'll get a better draft pick.

Which will be promptly wasted. lol

[Cheesehead Craig]

Fresh perspectives are needed from outside the organization on how to run the offense. If MM doesn't go, there needs to be a new OC in the group.

[texaspackerbacker]

The negativists just get worse and worse! 7 games left, and who among them should beat the Packers? A maybe on Seattle, and that's it.

I tend to have a bad memory for bad things, but yesterday's game stunk more than just about any I remember- total crap at home against a fairly weak team. Just the same, there's no reason to think the badness will continue.

That being said, I'm getting increasingly disgusted with McCarthy, and I've been at very least irked by Thompson even in better times. All you have to do is look at what so so many other teams put on the field/pick up fairly cheaply/have the balls to shell out money for, and it's damn obvious; Ted has been delinquent. He's been coasting along with Aaron Rodgers and a mediocre supporting cast for basically forever. Now, the rest of the team has at least temporarily due to injuries, slid to an even lower level of mediocrity, and Rodgers has even slipped a little bit (not nearly as much as the detractors claim).

Aaron Rodgers + mediocrity = damn good/playoff quality. Aaron Rodgers + even fairly good talent = virtually unbeatable. I've been aching to see that for years. Damn, Ted, MAXIMIZE things or get the hell out of town!

[Maxie the Taxi]

So it seems GB is not becoming a mediocre team, we already are one. Not surprising. We're probably a victim of our own success. 10 years or so of drafting the 25th best players in college instead of the ones and twos like Dallas, Oakland and others has finally caught up with us.

Injuries are a real factor, but would the guys out injured have raised us out of mediocrity? I can't say for sure.

What I can't reconcile is the preseason estimate that GB was the Super Bowl favorite? Was it hype? Was it just over-rating based on reputation? I actually thought this team could make some noise this year. Now I'm thinking I took a lot for granted and overestimated this team's talent.

[yetisnowman]

The negativists just get worse and worse! 7 games left, and who among them should beat the Packers? A maybe on Seattle, and that's it.

I tend to have a bad memory for bad things, but yesterday's game stunk more than just about any I remember- total crap at home against a fairly weak team. Just the same, there's no reason to think the badness will continue.

That being said, I'm getting increasingly disgusted with McCarthy, and I've been at very least irked by Thompson even in better times. All you have to do is look at what so so many other teams put on the field/pick up fairly cheaply/have the balls to shell out money for, and it's damn obvious; Ted has been delinquent. He's been coasting along with Aaron Rodgers and a mediocre supporting cast for basically forever. Now, the rest of the team has at least temporarily due to injuries, slid to an even lower level of mediocrity, and Rodgers has even slipped a little bit (not nearly as much as the detractors claim).

Aaron Rodgers + mediocrity = damn good/playoff quality. Aaron Rodgers + even fairly good talent = virtually unbeatable. I've been aching to see that for years. Damn, Ted, MAXIMIZE things or get the hell out of town!

I guess you haven't been paying attenton. Aaron and the offense has been playing like this for over a full season. Every single game remaining on the schedule is a potential loss. Sure they could go 6-2, but they way things are going I would be pretty surprised.

[denverYooper]

Context matters, at least a little bit. Let's look at the losses.

2015:
@Denver (12-4, SB Champ)
@Carolina (15-1 SB runner-up)
Detroit (7-9)
Chicago (6-10)
@Arizona (13-3, NFC runner-up)
Minnesota (11-5, NFCN champ)

2016:
@Minnesota (5-3, considered the best D at the time)
Dallas (7-1, best current record in NFC)
@Atlanta (6-3, #1 offense in the league)
Indianapolis (4-5)

7 of those 10 losses have come against top teams. The only loss that was against a truly bad team was vs. Chicago last year. Detroit was trending up when they beat the Packers and the Colts, despite struggling at the beginning of the year, have typically been a playoff team with Luck under center.

They clearly need to win some of those games to re-gain their position near the upper echelon of the league but we have to acknowledge that their record in that span has come against quality opposition.

[mmmdk]

Ergo, Packers is not a top team.

[Carolina_Packer]

It's unknowable and a mostly indefensible argument, because you are expected to win no matter the circumstances, but it would be interesting to see what level this team could perform at being full strength.

Key guys who have been out or affected by injury includes Clay, Sam Shields, Jared Cook, Lacy, Starks (I'll count him since we only had two RB's, which is not the players' fault), Cobb (nagging injuries), Jordy (coming back from knee injury, still getting up to speed hopefully), as well as Randall and Rollins. I'd like to think these last two games would have gone differently had we been at full strength. I'd like to think that if Cook had just played his 9th game, he would have assimilated himself into the offense, and provided a threat that we currently do not have consistently in the middle of the field.

That would make us 6-2 and what would the conversation be then? Would Cook be the boat that raises all the other boats, ala Jordy in 2014? Who knows. Would the dialog about the offense be the same? Who knows.

Not having Clay to help with the pass rush and enough DB's (Shields, Randall and Rollins) to cover consistently has weakened the defense. No doubt about it. Would they have been better off keeping Hayward? Probably. They may have better withstood the injury bug by doing so. The kids we have are doing the best they can but losing top three CB's for any length of time is a nightmare scenario.

There are reasons and there are excuses. None of the latter can be made, but some of the former can.

[denverYooper]

Ergo, Packers is not a top team.

They're not a top team now, but the distance to get there is only as far as the few feet that separate M3's head from his sphincter.

[pbmax]

They're not a top team now, but the distance to get there is only as far as the few feet that separate M3's head from his sphincter.

Exactly.