Are we legit at Year End, or does the fall continue ??

[Bretsky]

Thoughts ?

[woodbuck27]

The Green Bay Packers at present is a franchise that is drowning.

[arcilite]

The Green Bay Packers at present is a franchise that is drowning.

I concur

[Rastak]

Nah.

They are a flawed team just like Minnesota. If either team gets their shit together and fixes the one of two things that are killing them they can throw their hat into the playoff ring.

[Freak Out]

Gonna get their shit together.

[Zool]

I think we're seeing McCarthy nearing the end as well as Capers. It's Shottenheimer all over again. 8-8 and the lions take the division.

[pbmax]

I can easily see playoffs and missing them. I still think McCarthy has it in him to right the offense, but I have little confidence after 20 games that its going to happen in the next four games.

[Maxie the Taxi]

We may limp into the playoffs, but I'd be shocked if we advance. GB's shtick has become stale -- boring even. Something's got to give.

[MadScientist]

Offense can't beat man coverage. MM has had over a year to fix it and hasn't come close. The schedule is weak, but so are the Packers. 8-8.

[George Cumby]

Stick a fork in them.

This team is due for significant change.

[gbgary]

Rodgers is on a 40 td/ 10 int/ 4000+ yard pace. based on that and getting some guys back i'll say 10-6. hoping for a disaster is not in my dna although it may cross my mind.

[Upnorth]

If we get our secondary healthy we can hit 10-6. But not a playoff threat, unless they start using some man breakers. Our WR's cant beat coverage with out being schemed open.

[mmmdk]

Changes are coming but will it be the right ones? This Packers team, GM and coaches are clutching at straws.

[pbmax]

This team has not been what anyone hoped, certainly on offense and now, it seems, Special Teams. But housecleaning and clutching at straws are probably not the likeliest nor the best descriptions of their chances.

Team	DVOA	Rank	Weight	Rank	W-L	Off	Rank	Def	Rank	ST	Rank
1PHI	27.5%	1	27.8%	1	4-4	-7.8%	23	-24.5%	1	10.8%	1
2DAL	21.7%	2	22.3%	2	7-1	20.8%	2	-1.2%	14	-0.3%	17
3SEA	20.6%	6	19.8%	5	5-2-1	1.6%	14	-17.7%	6	1.3%	10
4ATL	20.4%	5	22.1%	3	6-3	24.3%	1	8.0%	24	4.1%	6
5NE	19.3%	4	21.0%	4	7-1	18.4%	3	1.7%	18	2.6%	8
6DEN	14.4%	3	15.2%	6	6-3	-6.0%	22	-19.8%	2	0.7%	13
[B]7GB	9.4%	7	9.0%	7	4-4	4.3%	11	-7.7%	7	-2.6%	22[/B]
8MIN	8.9%	8	8.5%	9	5-3	-10.3%	25	-18.1%	4	1.1%	12

They are the seventh ranked team in the League by DVOA. As it happens, there aren't a lot of great teams so the Packers might be one of the worst seventh ranked teams in years. But its much more important how they stack up to this year's competition.

Seventh ranked. Not efficient, not getting off the field on 3rd downs and the STs are in a bit of a meltdown. But still seventh ranked.

That is Divisional Round of playoff territory.

[Rutnstrut]

If stubby refuses to remove his head from his rectum, they are doomed. If he actually shows some coaching flexibility, they may have a chance. Even if they make the playoffs I think they will be one and done.