Aaron Rodgers Is NOT The Problem

[pbmax]

SMH..#12 actually is DEFINITELY missing open receivers!! Cobb was open several times in the 3rd quarter and #12 looked away from him..

All QBs miss some receivers occasionally.

If the offense is working generally as this writer describes, then eventually it will reduce the effectiveness of its QB. He is looking pre-snap for the isolation route with the best mismatch, not a progression from short to long. If that doesn't work, his next instinct is to buy time for someone to break free.

Rodgers played some horrible games last year and started off this year with a couple of very poor games. But he has improved lately. The efficiency of the offense has gone up. But the basic problems remain.

[Pugger]

I remember arguing a few years back during a season that the upcoming draft would need to feature a high round WR. At the time, it seemed like a bold statement since the Packers were stacked (I think it was Jennings' last season). They were deep and talented, but I guessed that the talent would leave or grow old.

And it has.

TT has tried drafting WRs since, but only Adams has been higher than a 5th (?) round draft pick. We need a draft that favors us with some skill positions at the back end of the round. Usually it's just big bodies there since the 1st round skill players go in the top 15-20.

We need a high WR. We have the O-line. We have the D-line. We have the QB. We have the young LBs and CBs. We have the Ss. We might have the OLBs (depending on Perry's health and sustained success tied with Datone finding more success). We have a stopgap at TE who--I think--should be signed for more than one year. If Lacy comes back, we have the RB. We need the WRs. And possibly the next TE or RB. We're short on all offensive skill players outside the QB. And we need one more star on defense (could still be HHCD next year).

But it's paramount this coming year that TT grabs a tested, talented pass catcher in Round 1. Heck, Janis' light may turn on and he might stop rounding routes (which shouldn't be a problem because of his 3-cone, but his 3-cent head--I'm assuming despite his wonderlic--keeps getting in his way). Jordy is the Kampman of WRs. Talented enough combined with a work ethic that put him over the top. We need a guy that can just do it. It ain't Adams, Cobb (he's a superb slot/secondary WR), Janis, Montgomery, Davis, or Geronimo!.

We need someone.

Wasn't Adams a 2nd round pick? If only his hands were better... When our pick comes up in the first should we go for a WR even if a better player at another position is available? I say you take the best player in that round no matter what.

From what I hear this incoming draft class is pretty deep at TE. Getting a deep threat TE from this group will help. Unfortunately so far Cook hasn't been able to show us if he could be the answer there. Lord knows when/if he'll be back.

RB might be a high priority too. Starks isn't getting any younger and even if we bring back Lacy (he isn't going to demand a lot on the open market) big backs like him don't last very long.

CB is another need. Rollins and Randall are young and still could pan out but losing the speed of Shields hurts this defense big time.

[pbmax]

2016 - Davis (5th)
2015 - Monty (3rd)
2014 - Adams (2nd)
2014 - Abby (5th)
2014 - Janis (7th)

I'd say Ted agrees with Smidgeon in general. In three years, two WRs taken 3rd round or earlier.

[King Friday]

2016 - Davis (5th)
2015 - Monty (3rd)
2014 - Adams (2nd)
2014 - Abby (5th)
2014 - Janis (7th)

I'd say Ted agrees with Smidgeon in general. In three years, two WRs taken 3rd round or earlier.

How many WRs have New England taken in the first 3 rounds in the last 15 or so years that have made a meaningful contribution to their team? I can't think of any off the top of my head. You should use free agency to procure help at WR, but Ted won't ever do it.

The SYSTEM is way more important than WR talent anyway...provided you have a capable QB, which we do.

[esoxx]

Neither is he the solution, it would appear.

[woodbuck27]

It's Half Time Week Ten in Tennessee and the Packers are down 35-16. Here are the Packers Offensive stat's:

Top Performers:

GREEN BAY PACKERS

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
A. Rodgers 18/26 238 2 1

Rushing CAR YDS TD LG
J. Starks 4 22 0 11
T. Montgomery 3 9 0 5

Receiving REC YDS TD LG
J. Nelson 7 78 1 20
D. Adams 5 121 0 46
R. Rodgers 2 16 0 12

Aaron Rodgers is giving it.

[pbmax]

How many WRs have New England taken in the first 3 rounds in the last 15 or so years that have made a meaningful contribution to their team? I can't think of any off the top of my head. You should use free agency to procure help at WR, but Ted won't ever do it.

The SYSTEM is way more important than WR talent anyway...provided you have a capable QB, which we do.

Edelman and Amendola? Gronk?

Packers tried FA and have missed with Cook so far due to injury. There isn't one method. You need good ones and those need to be able to play in you offense.

The latter is currently more the problem in GB than the former.

[King Friday]

Edelman and Amendola? Gronk?

I said high draft pick WRs...first three rounds. Edelman was a 7th round pick. Amendola was undrafted. The Patriots HAVE drafted a lot of WRs in the second and third round over the last 15 years...very few have ever worked out.

Gronk is not a WR...although he was a 2nd round pick.

My point is that picking great WRs in the draft is a very difficult exercise, even with relatively high picks. The Patriots have failed at it. I don't think our efforts should go toward finding WR talent in the first 2 or 3 rounds of the draft. We have GAPING holes elsewhere that are harder to fill.

[beveaux1]

I said high draft pick WRs...first three rounds. Edelman was a 7th round pick. Amendola was undrafted. The Patriots HAVE drafted a lot of WRs in the second and third round over the last 15 years...very few have ever worked out.

Gronk is not a WR...although he was a 2nd round pick.

My point is that picking great WRs in the draft is a very difficult exercise, even with relatively high picks. The Patriots have failed at it. I don't think our efforts should go toward finding WR talent in the first 2 or 3 rounds of the draft. We have GAPING holes elsewhere that are harder to fill.

Our two WRs taken in the first 3 rounds, Adams and Montgomery, have been bright spots for this team. All others have been backend roster spots. Cobb and Nelson are also 2nd round picks. We just haven't been able to draft skill positions on offense lately with the needs on defense.

[pbmax]

I said high draft pick WRs...first three rounds. Edelman was a 7th round pick. Amendola was undrafted. The Patriots HAVE drafted a lot of WRs in the second and third round over the last 15 years...very few have ever worked out.

Gronk is not a WR...although he was a 2nd round pick.

My point is that picking great WRs in the draft is a very difficult exercise, even with relatively high picks. The Patriots have failed at it. I don't think our efforts should go toward finding WR talent in the first 2 or 3 rounds of the draft. We have GAPING holes elsewhere that are harder to fill.

I agree about needs elsewhere but the Packers have been pretty good a picking WR in the draft. Much better than the Patriots.

That makes the offensive failings look even worse.

[Rutnstrut]

Jones wasn't the answer during last year's slide.

You mean when he was injured playing on one leg basically? I said he wasn't the answer, but stubby is too fucking dumb to use the talent he has properly. Also he and TT raved about their receiver group in the offseason. They both need to go. It's clear they don't want to win unless things happen to fall into place their way. But if they have to adjust they stand around holding each others dicks.

[King Friday]

I agree about needs elsewhere but the Packers have been pretty good a picking WR in the draft. Much better than the Patriots.

That makes the offensive failings look even worse.

Yes, I will agree with that. Even if they can't get open one-on-one very often, they have enough talent at WR that the offense should be considerably more potent than it is.

[Bretsky]

Hoody Genius Jr does a much better job moving WR's around and putting them in positions to get open.

Silverstein last week noted he watched the game a few times and broke down all the WR's. He said frequently AROD was looking for the long ball and ignored the shorter checkdown crossing patterns that often results in Y.A.C.

It'd his view GB needs to hit those patterns which will allow the offense to get in rhythyn.

AROD is also missing a lot of throws he use to consistently make. I think plenty of this is on him

[pbmax]

You mean when he was injured playing on one leg basically? I said he wasn't the answer, but stubby is too fucking dumb to use the talent he has properly. Also he and TT raved about their receiver group in the offseason. They both need to go. It's clear they don't want to win unless things happen to fall into place their way. But if they have to adjust they stand around holding each others dicks.

Is he going to get younger this year? He's not even on a roster.

Who is available that can come off the street? You'd have to trade for someone, who are you trading?

[pbmax]

Hoody Genius Jr does a much better job moving WR's around and putting them in positions to get open.

Silverstein last week noted he watched the game a few times and broke down all the WR's. He said frequently AROD was looking for the long ball and ignored the shorter checkdown crossing patterns that often results in Y.A.C.

It'd his view GB needs to hit those patterns which will allow the offense to get in rhythyn.

AROD is also missing a lot of throws he use to consistently make. I think plenty of this is on him

Hoody Genius Jr. is running someone else's offense. Erhardt/Parcells/Belichick/Weiss.