Official 2017 NFL draft thread

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the problem with drafting a CB, is that those guys seem to take 2 or 3 years to develop

and we need a #1

so if we do try and fix the CB spot just through the draft, then the secondary is gonna suck just as much next year as it did this year

[Joemailman]

the problem with drafting a CB, is that those guys seem to take 2 or 3 years to develop

and we need a #1

so if we do try and fix the CB spot just through the draft, then the secondary is gonna suck just as much next year as it did this year

Sam Shields was the Packers nickel back as a rookie. On the Packers, that basically means you're a starter. Casey Hayward has his best season as a rookie with 6 INT's. Packers need a CB who can start outside, but rookies can start and play well. Especially if TT drafts one who's been a CB for more than a year.

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let me clarify

we need someone we can put on the other teams top WR, and hold him under 150 yards

[beveaux1]

let me clarify

we need someone we can put on the other teams top WR, and hold him under 150 yards

Very true.

[Deputy Nutz]

First round talent that could drop due to injury

Myles Garrett: He has all the talent to go number one in the draft but he dealt with a nagging ankle injury that cut into his production in 2016. He is number one in just about all rankings and mock drafts and the ankle most likely not be the reason he falls in the draft. It will because of teams at the top of the draft have significant needs at QB.

Leonard Fournette: He tried to play through an ankle injury for most of the season and was not 100% healthy in 2016 which regardless of opinions was a significant reason for missing the Tigers' bowl game. He has everything, size, speed, and can catch the ball out of the backfield. He could be the next Adrian Peterson and like Peterson I can see him falling in the first round of the draft due to team needs. He should answer a lot of health questions during the combine or team day.

Malik Hooker: One of the best combinations of size, speed, and football awareness in the draft for a defensive back. Unfortunately he already went under the knife for a hip injury. He will not be working out at the combine. Teams want a healthy first round draft pick coming into camp, and if all goes well with rehab he should be able to participate without restrictions. I can see him being pushed down draft boards because of medical concerns, which would make him a steal if he fell past the tenth pick.

Ryan Ramczyk : Rated as the number one linemen coming into the draft by many, but like Hooker he had to have hip surgery after his college season. He should be the number one linemen to go in the draft unless there are medical concerns. Ramczyk might be more of a right tackle or interior guard right away but he has the athletic ability to play left tackle. If he falls past the first half of teams he could really bolster an already good football team.

Corey Davis: A shoulder injury late in the season derailed his hopes of showing off his skills at the senior bowl. This small school receiver made a name for himself in his four seasons at Western Michigan leading his team to the Cotton Bowl. Davis has that rare combination of size strength and speed at the receiver position. He is quite polished and could be an added piece to an offense late in the first round.

Malik McDowell: There is nothing major with this defensive linemen from Michigan St, but scouts are concerned with his overall toughness and durability. He missed snaps in Big Ten games due to insignificant injuries. This could be more damning to scouts then players listed with significant injuries heading into the draft.

Carl Lawson: He was healthy for the 2016 season as a pass rusher off the edge for the Auburn Tigers, but he missed the 2015 season to an ACL and hip injury. He is a high motor kid that rushes with a quick burst off the snap and attacks the pass blocker.

[Deputy Nutz]

There are a lot of really good pass rushers in this draft and the Packers should have a solid group to choose from if the desire that selection late in the first round. Thompson hasn't hit big on drafting small defensive ends and transplanting them to outside linebacker. It will be interesting to see what direction he will choose to go if he desires a pass rusher with his first pick. Personally I would want to see a linebacker selected to offer a pass rush like Haason Reddick rather than drafting an undersized defensive end that's prototypical for a 4-3 defense. Another guy I like is the DT from Florida St Demarcus Walker. He could add an interior pass rush tandem with Mike Daniels that could be quite effective.

Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee, Jr., 6-3, 257, 4.76
Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA, Sr., 6-2, 258, 4.58
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan, Sr., 6-5, 272, 4.87
Carl Lawson, OLB/DE, Auburn, rJr., 6-2, 253, 4.67
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple, rSr., 6-1, 237, 4.54
Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama, Sr., 6-3, 252, 4.76
DeMarcus Walker, DT, Florida State, Sr, 6-2, 273, 4.86
Charles Harris, DE, Missouri, rJr, 6-3, 255, 4.74

[pbmax]

let me clarify

we need someone we can put on the other teams top WR, and hold him under 150 yards

Very true.

I would settle for FOUR NFL caliber corners (above replacement level) before I choose one top flight corner.

A defense can handle or double the guy getting 150 yards, if its not in 20 yard chucks, you can defend it. Its the other lesser lights killing you that allows a team to get 500 yards of offense.

Not an argument against a FA or first round CB, just a matter of what would help the defense more.

[pbmax]

There are a lot of really good pass rushers in this draft and the Packers should have a solid group to choose from if the desire that selection late in the first round. Thompson hasn't hit big on drafting small defensive ends and transplanting them to outside linebacker. It will be interesting to see what direction he will choose to go if he desires a pass rusher with his first pick. Personally I would want to see a linebacker selected to offer a pass rush like Haason Reddick rather than drafting an undersized defensive end that's prototypical for a 4-3 defense. Another guy I like is the DT from Florida St Demarcus Walker. He could add an interior pass rush tandem with Mike Daniels that could be quite effective.

Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee, Jr., 6-3, 257, 4.76
Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA, Sr., 6-2, 258, 4.58
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan, Sr., 6-5, 272, 4.87
Carl Lawson, OLB/DE, Auburn, rJr., 6-2, 253, 4.67
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple, rSr., 6-1, 237, 4.54
Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama, Sr., 6-3, 252, 4.76
DeMarcus Walker, DT, Florida State, Sr, 6-2, 273, 4.86
Charles Harris, DE, Missouri, rJr, 6-3, 255, 4.74

Interior pass rush would solve a lot of problems.

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I would settle for FOUR NFL caliber corners (above replacement level) before I choose one top flight corner.

A defense can handle or double the guy getting 150 yards, if its not in 20 yard chucks, you can defend it. Its the other lesser lights killing you that allows a team to get 500 yards of offense.

Not an argument against a FA or first round CB, just a matter of what would help the defense more.

we almost always refused to try and double team the guy going nuts on us this year, why would that change next year?

and i suppose it doesn't help much when one of your safeties is having to be the 3rd ILB on the field

[RashanGary]

There are a lot of really good pass rushers in this draft and the Packers should have a solid group to choose from if the desire that selection late in the first round. Thompson hasn't hit big on drafting small defensive ends and transplanting them to outside linebacker. It will be interesting to see what direction he will choose to go if he desires a pass rusher with his first pick. Personally I would want to see a linebacker selected to offer a pass rush like Haason Reddick rather than drafting an undersized defensive end that's prototypical for a 4-3 defense. Another guy I like is the DT from Florida St Demarcus Walker. He could add an interior pass rush tandem with Mike Daniels that could be quite effective.

Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee, Jr., 6-3, 257, 4.76
Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA, Sr., 6-2, 258, 4.58
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan, Sr., 6-5, 272, 4.87
Carl Lawson, OLB/DE, Auburn, rJr., 6-2, 253, 4.67
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple, rSr., 6-1, 237, 4.54
Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama, Sr., 6-3, 252, 4.76
DeMarcus Walker, DT, Florida State, Sr, 6-2, 273, 4.86
Charles Harris, DE, Missouri, rJr, 6-3, 255, 4.74

Tim Williams is a beast!!

[BZnDallas]

Interior pass rush would solve a lot of problems.

This would probably help the defense the most going into next season. But I really like Kenny Clark though. He was just starting to show his potential in the playoffs last year. I think he could have a huge second year, and he's still so young. With him and Mike D I don't know how much playing time a Walker type draft pick would get. He'll probably shoot up draft boards after the combine but Takkarist McKinley looks like a stud in a position of need for us. His speed is why he won't fall to us, but his hand techniques could be why he does. I think NFL coaching can teach hand mechanics. You can't teach the speed and length he possess. Not to mention he should have some familiarity with Kenny Clark as both are from UCLA.

[gbgary]

we get one compensatory pick this year...5th round #39/184

edit: comp picks can be traded now.

[Joemailman]

Third round

Round Choice/Overall Selection

33rd pick of third round; 97th overall: Miami

34th pick of third round; 98th overall: Carolina

35th pick of third round; 99th overall: Baltimore

36th pick of third round; 100th overall: Los Angeles Rams

37th pick of third round; 101st overall: Denver

38th pick of third round; 102nd overall: Seattle

39th pick of third round; 103rd overall: Cleveland

40th pick of third round; 104th overall: Kansas City

41st pick of third round; 105th overall: Pittsburgh

42nd pick of third round; 106th overall: Seattle

43rd pick of third round; 107th overall: New York Jets

Fourth round

32nd pick of fourth round; 138th overall: Cincinnati

33rd pick of fourth round; 139th overall: Cleveland

34th pick of fourth round; 140th overall: Los Angeles Rams

35th pick of fourth round; 141st overall: Cleveland

36th pick of fourth round; 142nd overall: San Francisco

37th pick of fourth round; 143rd overall: Indianapolis

Fifth round

33rd pick of fifth round; 178th overall: Cincinnati

34th pick of fifth round; 179th overall: Denver

35th pick of fifth round; 180th overall: Miami

36th pick of fifth round; 181st overall: Arizona

37th pick of fifth round; 182nd overall: Kansas City

38th pick of fifth round; 183rd overall: Cleveland

39th pick of fifth round; 184th overall: Green Bay

40th pick of fifth round; 185th overall: New England

41st pick of fifth round; 186th overall: Miami

Sixth round

33rd pick of the sixth round; 218th overall: Kansas City

34th pick of the sixth round; 219th overall: Cincinnati

35th pick of the sixth round; 220th overall: Kansas City

Seventh round

33rd pick of the seventh round; 253rd overall: Cincinnati

34th pick of the seventh round; 254th overall: Denver

35th pick of the seventh round; 255th overall: Denver

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 27m27 minutes ago
The police records for #Ravens S and pending FA Matt Elam, arrested on multiple charges at 3:45 am today in Florida

I may be mistaken, but the semi-recent draft pick status, playing safety (formerly a position of need) and the arrest, but I think this is another of Bretsky's guys?

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i just can't stress enough how you should never draft a player from the university of florida

do any of them NOT become massive busts?

and i guess it official. they are the worst

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/florida-gators-nfl-draft-busts-schools