Official 2017 NFL draft thread

[BZnDallas]

i do

so you think we're the only team in the nfl that announces some, but not all of the players we see?

I think you might be over reacting just a lil bit here Red. I think TT lacks in some areas as well. But for a D&D team to not do their homework on incoming talent across the board is most likely wrong. I saw zero local visits on that Walter list. I believe I heard on Dallas radio that teams are allowed unlimited amounts of local visits. To assume TT has ZERO? Hahaha c'mon man, just bc charlie casserly doesn't know it, doesn't mean the visits didn't happen.

[pbmax]

i do

so you think we're the only team in the nfl that announces some, but not all of the players we see?

Given the way Ted operates, I would bet that is the case. Or that they release the list at the last possible moment.

[pbmax]

no, they count meeting a player in private at their pro day as a meeting

he might have watched those 12 guys at the badgers pro day, but it looks like he slinked out of there right after the workout without talking to anyone

which makes sence because he's not even close to being a people person

That isn't what the key says. Its says "PRO - Pro Day or campus meeting/workout."

If it was meeting only, then it wouldn't say meeting/workout. Or if a meeting was a must regardless, it would say Meeting AND workout.

[wist43]

I think you guys are nuts to think dunderdummy is doing a good job... the results and statistics simply do not validate your support for him.

It is obvious he and TT are not on the same page in the least - and since both are still in their long-standing positions, and that is not likely to change until we fans are long since in the grave... why would any of you expect anything to change??

We've been hashing this out for years, and for years we've been watching the same movie in reruns - yet you guys keep hangin in there. I'll give you credit for loyalty, but loyalty isn't winning us championships.

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As for the draft...

This is as wide open a draft as I can ever remember. Some of the sites I was looking at had Melifonwu going in the 3rd-4th round, now I see him being mocked in the 1st. Figures - all the guys I want are steadily being moved up the boards - and we either won't have a shot at them, or TT will spit on them anyway.

A lot of the corners I've been looking at seem to be carbon copies of Randall and Rollins. I think Rollins would be the better player in the right system, but Capers isn't capable of coaching or calling anything but man-to-man.

Which makes players like Reddick and Melifonwu completely useless to us. Capers refusal to play zone, and his refusal to adjust his scheme and playcalling to the strengths of the players takes a lot of very good players off our board. If TT goes ahead and drafts them - dunderdummy will stubbornly misuse them.

Still, as a fan I have to hope that he'll get his head out of his ass and that TT and Packers scouting dept will suddenly get things figured out on the defensive side of the ball. Unfortunately, there's next to no chance of that happening.

[pbmax]

Any idea if this reporting is at all accurate? Lions w/ 107 offseason player visits versus Packers 22.

Packer Report @PackerReport
not entirely. Each team has a thing for local athletes. Obviously more prospects from Detroit area than here.

Packer Report @PackerReport
I think Lions announce all visits. GB top secret. Up to us to find out what we can. That's a huge difference.

[bobblehead]

So you actually believe that the Lions, a franchise that has not been able to tie its shoes before heading out to play a game, has seen four times the number of players in the offseason as the Packers?

Thats not fair. They tie them, then EDS unties them.

[bobblehead]

no, they count meeting a player in private at their pro day as a meeting

he might have watched those 12 guys at the badgers pro day, but it looks like he slinked out of there right after the workout without talking to anyone

which makes sence because he's not even close to being a people person

You can knock ted for not signing big free agents, but honestly his track record in the draft is damn good. You are doing the political thing where you form an opinion and then desperately search for facts and story lines that fit it afterwards.

[bobblehead]

I think you guys are nuts to think dunderdummy is doing a good job... the results and statistics simply do not validate your support for him.

It is obvious he and TT are not on the same page in the least - and since both are still in their long-standing positions, and that is not likely to change until we fans are long since in the grave... why would any of you expect anything to change??

We've been hashing this out for years, and for years we've been watching the same movie in reruns - yet you guys keep hangin in there. I'll give you credit for loyalty, but loyalty isn't winning us championships.

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As for the draft...

This is as wide open a draft as I can ever remember. Some of the sites I was looking at had Melifonwu going in the 3rd-4th round, now I see him being mocked in the 1st. Figures - all the guys I want are steadily being moved up the boards - and we either won't have a shot at them, or TT will spit on them anyway.

A lot of the corners I've been looking at seem to be carbon copies of Randall and Rollins. I think Rollins would be the better player in the right system, but Capers isn't capable of coaching or calling anything but man-to-man.

Which makes players like Reddick and Melifonwu completely useless to us. Capers refusal to play zone, and his refusal to adjust his scheme and playcalling to the strengths of the players takes a lot of very good players off our board. If TT goes ahead and drafts them - dunderdummy will stubbornly misuse them.

Still, as a fan I have to hope that he'll get his head out of his ass and that TT and Packers scouting dept will suddenly get things figured out on the defensive side of the ball. Unfortunately, there's next to no chance of that happening.

Wist you contradict yourself. Capers made his name playing zone. He has adjusted to young talent not immediately learning the nuances of zone coverage by playing man...i.e. adjusting to the talent he has. Go look up zone blitz sometime. I know you won't have to, you know better, but like Red you are making an argument I don't even think you believe because it fits your preconceived notion about Capers.

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How many people remember the charge that Ted didn't know how to draft Offensive Lineman because he did not value them enough?

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/04/17/putting-ted-thompsons-draft-fortunes-line/100570368/

[bobblehead]

How many people remember the charge that Ted didn't know how to draft Offensive Lineman because he did not value them enough?

http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...ine/100570368/

Crossed my mind many times. I might have even contributed to that meme since I value OL more than most. I sure hope he hit on spriggs. Anyone hear anything about his weight this offseason? Hope he was hanging around Lacy for awhile.

[pbmax]

So in last day, allegation was dug up of Mixon in another altercation with a woman, this time in HS. Might have been Facebook post about it at time by the girl's father.

The guy who posted it has now recanted the claim, saying he posted the charge before knowing the whole story. Mixon's lawyer released a recent statement from the guy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/

Earlier mention of the HS report during the investigation of the college punch: https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...exual-advances

[pbmax]

McGinn on the running backs: http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...0b72fb80d766cc


On Mixon

This month, the Journal Sentinel asked executives in personnel from 11 teams this question: What round, if any, would you feel comfortable drafting Joe Mixon?

Six personnel men said they had made the decision not to draft Mixon under any circumstances. Of the three that would select Mixon, one said first round and two said third round. Two executives declined to comment.

[Joemailman]

Wist you contradict yourself. Capers made his name playing zone. He has adjusted to young talent not immediately learning the nuances of zone coverage by playing man...i.e. adjusting to the talent he has. Go look up zone blitz sometime. I know you won't have to, you know better, but like Red you are making an argument I don't even think you believe because it fits your preconceived notion about Capers.

I remember when Capers was hired some people questioned if that would reduce Al Harris' effectiveness, since Al seen as a man guy. Another reason Capers may have gone more man in recent years is because Shields was not seen as a zone guy. I wonder if the approach will change now that Shields is out of the picture.

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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 34s34 seconds ago
NFL notified teams that Michigan’s Jabril Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the combine, league sources tell ESPN.

[BZnDallas]

No way he's there at our second round pick is there? I'd take him to fill Hyde's position.