So what happens now?

[gbgary]

Yes the defense sucks and is badly injured

However, 24 points isn't gonna win a ton of games in today's NFL. The offense is also badly broken, for almost 2 years now, without the huge injury excuse (except for jordy last year)

and Lacy this year, and Cook this year, and a less than 100% Jordy this year. it's not badly broken imo...nothing a #1 wr (or a #1 te) couldn't fix.

[gbgary]

Well math would disagree with you.

lol

[Guiness]

The Packers do average 24.7 ppg this season, which is 11th best in the NFL. They give up 27.6 ppg, which is 6th worst.

24 ppg is enough to win plenty in the NFL, it's just when your defense allows more than that is the problem. The offense may have it's issues, but the defense is just turrible.

That's the way I felt during the game as well. O was ok, but I also think they had to be feeling pressured by how quickly the Redcoats O was scoring, and that they HAD to get out there and score a TD. They had receptions for 70 and 53 yards, as well as a 66 yard rush.

Washington did a good job of hitting the Defense where they were short handed - CB and ILB.

btw Did he really say Redcoats? I thought I heard it too, but am really not sure. In the 2nd half Collingsworth was definitely saying Redskins. I feel like he got a call at half time telling him to knock it off!

[Rutnstrut]

I am far from a Capers apologist. However I think more of the D blame is on TT for not giving Capers the right tools for the job. TT has repeatedly failed and needs to kicked out.

[gbgary]

I am far from a Capers apologist. However I think more of the D blame is on TT for not giving Capers the right tools for the job. TT has repeatedly failed and needs to kicked out.

he's failed on the o side of the ball but the d has been more than adequate the last couple of years...until this year. the last two drafts concentrated on the d side but drafting where we draft there's a talent drop off that hasn't been addressed through FA...on BOTH sides of the ball. unless there's a more aggressive move to bring in talent that delivers there's going to be a long nuclear winter in Green Bay soon.

[Harlan Huckleby]

IMO, the defense looked plenty talented and deep at the start of the season. They were hurting a little on the line with Pennell's suspension. But the secondary was strutting, and linebackers were fine.

[beveaux1]

IMO, the defense looked plenty talented and deep at the start of the season. They were hurting a little on the line with Pennell's suspension. But the secondary was strutting, and linebackers were fine.

I agree with this. At CB, we had Shields, Randall, Gunter, Rollins, Hawkins, and Dorleant, with Goodsen on a 4 game suspension. Hyde is a safety-CB. At safety they had Burnett, Dix, Banjo, Brice, and Marwin Evans. The secondary looked like a position of great strength.

Our line was Daniels, Guion, Clark, Lowry, and Ringo, with Pennel serving a 4 games suspension. This looked like the Achilles heel of our defense. One injury here and Lowry was starting.

I strongly disagree that the GM and head coach did a poor job of providing depth in the secondary. No coach or GM can plan for the loss of 4 of the top 5 CBs on the roster.

[beveaux1]

At OLB we had Matthews, Peppers, Perry, Jones, Fackrell, and Elliott. At ILB we had Ryan, Martinez, and Thomas with Matthews available if needed. Harlan is right, the LBs appeared to be fine.

[Joemailman]

I'd be a fan of Sean Payton or Hoodie Genius JR

Payton is working on his 3rd straight losing season. So that might work since the Saints might let us have him.

[pbmax]

Yes, if your argument is that McCarthy is made by Rodgers, then Payton is an even worse version of McCarthy.

[red]

Well math would disagree with you.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/t...sition/defense

Good job at fantasy this week shithawk

[Bretsky]

Yes, if your argument is that McCarthy is made by Rodgers, then Payton is an even worse version of McCarthy.

Honestly my argument is we need somebody to motivate and coach Rodgers differently and get him to buy into what the coach is doing. AROD and MM have not looked cohesive in a while

[texaspackerbacker]

The problem is not Aaron Rodgers; The problem is pretty much everybody/everything but Aaron Rodgers. Thank you Ted Thompson for that. That being said, I still wouldn't rule out the team snapping out of the funk and finishing the season strong and successfully. The damn shame of that is it would probably mean Thompson and McCarthy keep their jobs and the slow deterioration of the team continues.

[Joemailman]

Honestly my argument is we need somebody to motivate and coach Rodgers differently and get him to buy into what the coach is doing. AROD and MM have not looked cohesive in a while

In my opinion, it hasn't been the same since MM took the ball out of Arod's hands late in the NFCCG at Seattle. Rodgers was visibly upset in his postgame PC, and things haven't been the same since.

[pbmax]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18114166/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-colts-qb-andrew-luck-smart-concussion-protocol

You can read this as a Mark Murphy statement that nothing is happening now, but if they don't turn it around, all bets are off.

I hope he meant it because if he was just trying to weasel his way to a non-answer, its gonna catch up to him if the Packers are drafting 10th.