JS----TOUGH DECISION WITH TTT/WOLF...............

[Bretsky]

apparently they read packerrat info.......

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2016/11/24/packers-face-tough-call-thompson-wolf/94347888/

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Silverstein: Even if the Packers find a way to turn things around this season, it does not change the fact the front office needs to modernize its approach to acquiring talent. It seems unlikely that Thompson is capable of doing that...

+1

[pbmax]

Among them, Denver (Peyton Manning, Aqib Talib), New England (LaGarrette Blount, Darrelle Revis), Seattle (Michael Bennett, Percy Harvin), Baltimore (Matt Birk, Anquan Boldin), the New York Giants (Chris Canty, Antrell Rolle) and Green Bay (Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett) all received huge lifts from players not acquired through the draft.

I don't mind the critique, but at least be consistent and logical.

1. Do ALL FA acquisitions end in the Super Bowl? If not, then listing the ones that work isn't an argument, its just complaining.

2. Jared Cook and Julius Peppers.

Now drop this part of the idiotic critique.

[Patler]

I don't mind the critique, but at least be consistent and logical.

1. Do ALL FA acquisitions end in the Super Bowl? If not, then listing the ones that work isn't an argument, its just complaining.

2. Jared Cook and Julius Peppers.

Now drop this part of the idiotic critique.

Exactly. The argument that some how players like that are not really free agents is silly.

[pbmax]

Exactly. The argument that some how players like that are not really free agents is silly.

So is the idea that they must be bargain basement deals for Thompson to act. Cook isn't cheap like a waiver pickup (he had choices) and Peppers signed a big deal.

Look at it this way; he has probably overpaid some of his own players like Matthews and Cobb. But either overpay them, or overpay FAs, no one is getting away with being a cheap playoff team for long. The whole FA complaint comes down to about one player every three years.

Also dumb: veteran leadership missing. Sportswriters never get this right.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I don't mind the critique, but at least be consistent and logical.

1. Do ALL FA acquisitions end in the Super Bowl? If not, then listing the ones that work isn't an argument, its just complaining.

2. Jared Cook and Julius Peppers.

Now drop this part of the idiotic critique.

Your reading comprehension looks like it is deteriorating.

Silverstien isn't arguing that signing free agents = Super Bowl. Instead, he's pointing out that utilizing ALL aspects of the game - trades, free agency, draft -competently is the best way to run a modern day NFL team.

Belichick utilizes ALL aspects of the game -competently (and frequently), must I add. Belichick has annihilated and debunked draft-and-develop theory.

Oh fie. Thompson supporters still believe the earth is flat.

The teams that have won Super Bowls over the past decade, including his own, have used free agency, the draft and in some cases trades to stock their rosters...Schneider has made Wolf look like a nickel slots player with all the chances he’s taken in building a Super Bowl-contending roster in Seattle...

[pbmax]

Your reading comprehension looks like it is deteriorating.

Silverstien isn't arguing that signing free agents = Super Bowl. Instead, he's pointing out that utilizing ALL aspects of the game - trades, free agency, draft -competently is the best way to run a modern day NFL team.

Belichick utilizes ALL aspects of the game -competently, must I add. Belichick has annihilated and debunked draft-and-develop theory.

Oh fie. Thompson supporters still believe the earth is flat.

Thompson has used FA. You and Spoon and arguing to use it more. Still waiting for the evidence that it works better the more you use it.

Ask Bretsky about Hoody Genius' draft track record.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Thompson has used FA. You and Spoon and arguing to use it more. Still waiting for the evidence that it works better the more you use it.

Ask Bretsky about Hoody Genius' draft track record.

Gotta use FA and trades when the opportunity arises and the situation calls for such and such. Hibernating in a closet does nothing to help your team.

Belichick needed a shutdown corner, so he acquired Revis Island - who gives a fuck that the Island ain't gonna be around long? Gronk's the best TE in the league; NE still traded for Bennett. Ole Bill stole Randy Moss away from Thompson, proving that he's competent and the Polar Bear ain't. Such and such.

Wolf signed Reggie White to the equivalent of a $100M contract today; still acquired Dotson and Jones. Traded a 1st for some hillbilly third string QB. Traded a 2 to rent a TE for 1.5 seasons, and Jackson made it clear he'd rather retire than play in dull and dark Green Bay. When injuries struck and the other receivers on the team were playing like Jarrett Boykins, Wolf signed Rison, a so-called locker room cancer. Such and such.

Injuries have struck the corner, RB and ILB positions this season, and Thompson hasn't done a fucking thing. Richard Rodgers was more fruitless than an apple tree on the north pole, Vernon Davis was available - Polar Bear simply crossed his fingers and hoped Dick Rod could somehow morph into an average player. Wasted away two years of Claymakers' prime with his ability to acquire a bona fide ILB. Beast Mode should've been a Packer. Ditto, Gonzalez and Moss. Such and such.

Ted Thompson is the mother of incompetent.

[gbgary]

Thompson has used FA.

as a hole plugger mostly (replace a body with a body). not as a weapon. he's uses it in a reactionary manner. he's not proactive.

[pbmax]

as a hole plugger mostly (replace a body with a body). not as a weapon. he's uses it in a reactionary manner. he's not proactive.

I can see this with Cook. Not the same with Guion or Peppers.

[Patler]

The aspect about free agency that I would like to see one of the writers analyze is this:

Do those teams that acquire more FAs also tend to lose more of their own FAs? Managing free agency isn't only about bringing in players from other teams, it is also about keeping your own free agents.

I started a thread at the end of last season in which I said TT would sign at least one starting FA, based on his history. People say he doesn't use FA, but the reality is that about every other year he signs at least one to be a starter.

[yetisnowman]

I can see this with Cook. Not the same with Guion or Peppers.

Guion is just a guy. I'll never understand how TT apologists hold up Guion as an example of an impact FA player. What you see with the 2016 Packers, is that when you refuse to add more than one relevant FA every 6 years , AND you have 3 or 4 mediocre to poor drafts in a row, you end up with a pretty shitty team. Especially with a couple injuries. And I'm not convinced that this is a contending team, even when healthy. That's largely a personnel issue.

[pbmax]

Guion is just a guy. I'll never understand how TT apologists hold up Guion as an example of an impact FA player. What you see with the 2016 Packers, is that when you refuse to add more than one relevant FA every 6 years , AND you have 3 or 4 mediocre to poor drafts in a row, you end up with a pretty shitty team. Especially with a couple injuries. And I'm not convinced that this is a contending team, even when healthy. That's largely a personnel issue.

They were a contending team last year and 2014. They SHOULD have been in the Super Bowl in 2014. Coaching, poor decisions by players and bad luck cost them that spot. Wasn't a personnel issue then and that was AFTER two actual poor drafts. It was also with a hobbled QB. The Defense had good enough personnel to stop the Cardinals high flying offense IN Arizona in the playoffs.

The failure again was a piss poor offense that could not support its defense on the road without two hail marks. That offense was hobbled by injuries at WR and LT. And a coach who had not adjusted his game plan well after game 6.

[esoxx]

Thompson has been asleep at the wheel for too long. He deserves to be called out. No reason you have to be one of the youngest teams in the league EVERY year either.

[red]

the other problem with draft and develop is that it keeps players on the team that just shouldn't be in the nfl, they're there because we have to have someone

are you telling me that there isn't a single free agent tackle or guard out there on the scrap heap that isn't better then don barclay? the guy should be nowhere near an nfl team at this point

a few years back when we needed a safety badly, what did we do? we waited until one was in the right spot for us in the draft, 2 or 3 years after we lost collins. many were available during free agency

yes, we did sign cook this year. after not doing anything at the position for a couple years, other then throwing failed draft picks at it

and when we do bring in free agents for a visit, we just let them walk out the door. other teams will call in bomb threats to keep the player their until he signs. why would you ever give a player a number he can go waive in other teams faces?

to me, it seems like, when we have a need, TT would rather spend 2 or 3 years trying to find that need in the draft, rather then sign a free agent. then if 2 or 3 years go by and he's failed, he might go sign a free agent. to me that doesn't work when you're wasting you prime years of your QB's career trying to find decent enough players in the draft. not to mention those players will then take years to develop, if they ever do