DOUGHERTY---PACKERS RECENT DRAFTS MISSING THE MARK

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What team does not do this? Do you want to trade away draft picks? A seven pick draft class is 13% of the roster each year.

with us once you factor in udfa, its probably closer to 20%

we currently have 12 rookies on the active roster, plus 10 more second year players and 8 third year guys. thats well over half our roster on rookie contracts

thats a lot of inexperience

[yetisnowman]

Better and quicker development might be easier to see of they weren't injured.

I've seen plenty of a healthy Randall and a healthy Rollins. They aren't particularly good. You expect them to be good when? 2018-2019?
You blame our terrible defense on injuries. But for weeks I've watched guys like Rollins, Haha, Hyde, Burnett, Thomas, Gunter, etc get torched and tackle like shit and not know what they are doing. These guys are core rotation players that are supposed to be competent. They aren't.

[Patler]

so as long as we win, shitty players aren't a problem?

If they win, maybe the shitty players aren't really all that shitty compared to the rest of the league.

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I've seen plenty of a healthy Randall and a healthy Rollins. They aren't particularly good. You expect them to be good when? 2018-2019?
You blame our terrible defense on injuries. But for weeks I've watched guys like Rollins, Haha, Hyde, Burnett, Thomas, Gunter, etc get torched and tackle like shit and not know what they are doing. These guys are core rotation players that are supposed to be competent. They aren't.

rollins is the one guy that i'm fine waiting for him to develop, he only has one year of pro and one year of college football under his belt. if anyone needs time to develop, its him. it would be nice for him to be able to be the #4 or 5 and just learn from a vet. insted he was the #3 out of the gate and became our #2 before half of his rookie season was done. and the one vet he has to learn from is probably legally brain dead

randall and rollins are the old guys in their second years

[pbmax]

I've seen plenty of a healthy Randall and a healthy Rollins. They aren't particularly good. You expect them to be good when? 2018-2019?
You blame our terrible defense on injuries. But for weeks I've watched guys like Rollins, Haha, Hyde, Burnett, Thomas, Gunter, etc get torched and tackle like shit and not know what they are doing. These guys are core rotation players that are supposed to be competent. They aren't.

So the first 5 weeks of the season were smoke and mirrors?

Last season with Matthews at ILB was a mirage?

[Patler]

So the first 5 weeks of the season were smoke and mirrors?

Last season with Matthews at ILB was a mirage?

and didn't Randall have an average game, an outstanding game and then a poor game before being injured? who knows what the next six games might have been if he hadn't been injured.

[yetisnowman]

So the first 5 weeks of the season were smoke and mirrors?

Last season with Matthews at ILB was a mirage?

If you call amassing good run defense statistics against all the worst rushing teams in the NFL smoke and mirrors, sure. I also saw a healthy Randall and Rollins get roasted by Stegon Diggs and Marvin Jones Jr. And then Dallas had their way with us, both running and throwing.
These are the games you are hanging your hat on?

[pbmax]

rollins is the one guy that i'm fine waiting for him to develop, he only has one year of pro and one year of college football under his belt...

randall and rollins are the old guys in their second years

Rollins probably does need another year and another offseason. But remember that Randall is transitioning back from college safety.

The draft and develop is not without stress points. And its not a lock that Capers is the best DC for such a team. He has spoken about having to change it before for young players.

But that has been true since 2009. New to the mix is McCarthy's struggle to reconfigure his offense for the WRs he has.

[Bretsky]

Rollins probably does need another year and another offseason. But remember that Randall is transitioning back from college safety.

The draft and develop is not without stress points. And its not a lock that Capers is the best DC for such a team. He has spoken about having to change it before for young players.

But that has been true since 2009. New to the mix is McCarthy's struggle to reconfigure his offense for the WRs he has.

IMO, .....we really screwed up by not drafting Eric Kendricks. He's what a starting ILB should look like. And I don't care if he was drafted 15 slots later. He would have been a great fit and fits the dominating profile we lack in defense.

[Bretsky]

with us once you factor in udfa, its probably closer to 20%

we currently have 12 rookies on the active roster, plus 10 more second year players and 8 third year guys. thats well over half our roster on rookie contracts

thats a lot of inexperience

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA; we must be the f'cking youngest team in the NFL again. Like last year...and the year before...and the year before..........it's like Obama............hope and change.....but right now I don't see the hope......(sorry for the politics reference)

[Bretsky]

Rollins probably does need another year and another offseason. But remember that Randall is transitioning back from college safety.

The draft and develop is not without stress points. And its not a lock that Capers is the best DC for such a team. He has spoken about having to change it before for young players.

But that has been true since 2009. New to the mix is McCarthy's struggle to reconfigure his offense for the WRs he has.

It's not a lock that TT is the best GM for today's NFL either. Wolf said the NFL changed and it would be hard for him to be an effective GM. With the rising Cap, and TT's hibernation, perhaps the NFL is changing and leaving TTT behind

[Patler]

Didn't Seattle have more rookies/first year players than GB at the start of the season?

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Didn't Seattle have more rookies/first year players than GB at the start of the season?

yeah, i think i counted 14 for them, but then theres a huge drop off to second year players, they have 4 second year players on the active roster and 6 or 7, 3rd year players

its funny looking at the 2 rosters

we have 5 guys on IR and are making injury excuses, they have 11 on IR

our practice squad consists of all rookies, and 2 second year guys

they only have 3 rookies on their PS, 5-second year guys, 1-third year guy, and 1-4th year guy

[Patler]

yeah, i think i counted 14 for them, but then theres a huge drop off to second year players, they have 4 second year players on the active roster and 6 or 7, 3rd year players

Overall, I think the average ages were just a few months different. Both were among the youngest teams in the league.

[woodbuck27]

Rollins probably does need another year and another offseason. But remember that Randall is transitioning back from college safety.

The draft and develop is not without stress points. And its not a lock that Capers is the best DC for such a team. He has spoken about having to change it before for young players.

But that has been true since 2009. New to the mix is McCarthy's struggle to reconfigure his offense for the WRs he has.

Hey pbmax...are you OK !?

I just noticed that your Pro Pickem picks for Sunday 27 Nov. early games are not in.