Bears QBs, Cutler's future, the Bears generally

[hoosier]

Expecting the Lions to lose a game, no matter how likely, doesn't change damn thing at this point in space-time: the Packers currently DO NOT control their destiny - thanks in large part to the 4 game losing streak (something Sherman's teams never experienced).

You might want to take another look at Shermy's last season. The first four games, to be specific.

[ThunderDan]

You might want to take another look at Shermy's last season. The first four games, to be specific.

But in Tank's world that was TT's year. Sherman kills the depth and talent as GM for years, hands a depleted team in cap trouble to TT, then blames TT for not being able to turn the team around top to bottom in 6 months.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

But in Tank's world that was TT's year

Correct. 4-12 was Ted's Team.

You don't go 10-6 one year with a still productive, Canton-bound QB and then 4-12 the next - unless you dismantle the team. Thompson dismantled Sherman's playoffs team. The Polar Bear conspired to tank that season, partly b/c he wanted a top 10 pick and partly b/c he needed an excuse to fire Sherman, who averaged 11 wins as GM/Coach.

The irony, to some, is that Thompson, a cheap-ass, gave Sherman a lucrative contract extension prior to the season. I don't think Thompson is cheap. He's just incompetent. Just as Alvarez lacked the skill to lure elite QBs to Wisconsin, the Polar Bear lacks the skill to lure elite free agents to Green Bay despite tons of resources.

[Teamcheez1]

Criticizing TT and MM is fair game, but when you couple that with bestowing laurels upon Mike Sherman, you have gone off the deep end.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Criticizing TT and MM is fair game, but when you couple that with bestowing laurels upon Mike Sherman, you have gone off the deep end.

What's with the "hate" for the Shermaninator? Many uncool Pack fans seem to think Sherman was a worse GM/Coach than Dan Devine.

Sherman averaged 11 wins as GM/Coach. Never missed the playoffs. Utilized all aspects of the game.

And the 2004 Packers ended up with the 24th pick. Team started, what, 1-4? Sherman got team out of that hole. Had team not make the playoffs and ended up with a top 20 pick, no way Thompson drafts the Great Arm of Butte.

[Freak Out]

SF must really suck.

[pbmax]

Correct. 4-12 was Ted's Team.

You don't go 10-6 one year with a still productive, Canton-bound QB and then 4-12 the next - unless you dismantle the team. Thompson dismantled Sherman's playoffs team. The Polar Bear conspired to tank that season, partly b/c he wanted a top 10 pick and partly b/c he needed an excuse to fire Sherman, who averaged 11 wins as GM/Coach.

Always forgetting the salary cap problem that Patler broke down for us.

[run pMc]

Always forgetting the salary cap problem that Patler broke down for us.

Well, that. Plus I seem to recall that being the year basically everybody got hurt (Driver, Ferguson, Walker, Terrence Murphy(!)) and the Taco Wallaces and Samkon Gados of the world played on the same field as almighty Bert. That much attrition was worse than last year at WR.


Sherman was a better coach than GM, and it isn't even close. (B.J Sander? Joe Johnson?)
I think he was a decent coach, actually, although I thought him too deferential to Favre, and his failure to go for it on 4th and 1 against the Eagles towards the end of the 4th and 26th game still makes me shake my head.

[hoosier]

Correct. 4-12 was Ted's Team.

You don't go 10-6 one year with a still productive, Canton-bound QB and then 4-12 the next - unless you dismantle the team. Thompson dismantled Sherman's playoffs team. The Polar Bear conspired to tank that season, partly b/c he wanted a top 10 pick and partly b/c he needed an excuse to fire Sherman, who averaged 11 wins as GM/Coach.

Interesting. So what exactly does "dismantling" a team with aging stars that lost a home wildcard game by two TDs to Minnesota entail? Was it letting the starting guards go? Was that the difference between 10-6 and 4-12?

[Guiness]

Well, that. Plus I seem to recall that being the year basically everybody got hurt (Driver, Ferguson, Walker, Terrence Murphy(!)) and the Taco Wallaces and Samkon Gados of the world played on the same field as almighty Bert. That much attrition was worse than last year at WR.


Sherman was a better coach than GM, and it isn't even close. (B.J Sander? Joe Johnson?)

lol at the Joe Johnson mention! Haven't heard that name in a while. The guy did not miss many games, other than a lost season in '99. He played 16 games in 97, 98, 00 and 01. Gets to GB and the wheels fall right off the wagon.

[Patler]

[B]
- thanks in large part to the 4 game losing streak (something Sherman's teams never experienced).

You might want to take another look at Shermy's last season. The first four games, to be specific.

Or, you might want to look at weeks, 2, 3, 4 and 5 of the 2004 season, when Sherman was both GM and HC.

[Patler]

You don't go 10-6 one year with a still productive, Canton-bound QB and then 4-12 the next - unless you dismantle the team. Thompson dismantled Sherman's playoffs team. The Polar Bear conspired to tank that season, partly b/c he wanted a top 10 pick and partly b/c he needed an excuse to fire Sherman, who averaged 11 wins as GM/Coach.

You might want to look more closely at that 10-6 team. They won 10 games without beating a single team that ended the season with a winning record. That was part of the sham of Sherman's teams. They played in a weak division, and had some "fortunate" schedules. His teams were growing progressively less competitive, but still managed to reach the playoffs because of the weak division they played in, and some weak overall schedules.

There wasn't much to dismantle from his last team. He had done most of it himself.

[Zool]

What's with the "hate" for the Shermaninator? Many uncool Pack fans seem to think Sherman was a worse GM/Coach than Dan Devine.

Sherman averaged 11 wins as GM/Coach. Never missed the playoffs. Utilized all aspects of the game.

And the 2004 Packers ended up with the 24th pick. Team started, what, 1-4? Sherman got team out of that hole. Had team not make the playoffs and ended up with a top 20 pick, no way Thompson drafts the Great Arm of Butte.

He was handed Favre and Ahman Green. I could coach them to a winning record.

[Fritz]

I still think Ahman Green was the best running back to wear a Packers uniform in many, many, many years. That guy was a monster, and he was fast. I think he blocked okay, too.

[Patler]

I still think Ahman Green was the best running back to wear a Packers uniform in many, many, many years. That guy was a monster, and he was fast. I think he blocked okay, too.

Yes, very good blocker, and great out of the backfield as a receiver. People tend to forget that when he first came to GB he would have 50-70 receptions a year for 400-600 yards. As the Packers found other capable 3rd down backs, passing situations became opportunities to rest him and better manage his asthma. He was as complete of a RB as there was. Even threw a few option passes.