Some random thoughts about the team moving forward

[pbmax]

Packers play a lot of trail coverage when they are in man underneath. Which literally means they are supposed to be behind the receiver to make the throw go higher than it might otherwise have to. This often happens to Hyde, and he needs someone in the deep end to close on the receiver to knock the higher throw down.

Several of their INTs were the result of this bracketing of coverage with a deep safety.

However, this coverage technique is vulnerable to crossing routes and out routes, because that is normally running away from the help. Hyde's job is to be sure that doesn't leak to a big play (must be close enough for tackle or force out of bounds). So a lot of plays that are completed on him are results the DC and DB coaches are willing to live with by design. Every coverage scheme has a weakness and this is it for the Packers underneath.

One thing that was different about this versus the Seachickens is that the Packers seem to roll coverage to Graham. He had to be bracketed all game because many other lesser TEs have destroyed the secondary. Hyde is fine for depth, but he is not able to handle good TEs by himself. With Burnett playing ILB in their Nitro Nickel, he has been guarding TEs more frequently.

[RashanGary]

This is just guess work, no actual assumption of exact correctness, but a guy like Red, seems unhappy. Bitching about the Packers is like a release. Actually making changes in his own life would he hard. So bitching about something he has no control over is easy and feels therapudic. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not reasonable.

Someone like skinbasket, probably not very successful, but fancies himself the worlds smartest person or at least in the group of superior intellectuals. It's easy to come here and find a flawed player and bitch and feel superior. Nothing wrong with it, we're human, we don't always adjust perfectly to the humble realities of our own lives, but it doesn't make it grounded or reasonable.

So my point is, fans seem highly unreasonable and cling extra hard to their unreasonabality because it's part of their self-image. Letting it go would force them to look in the mirror or at least find a new distraction. And that's hard. Honesty is hard. So here we are, in a sports forum, dodging our realities. Crazy!

But I think most of the stuff here is unreasonable and the unreasonableness can be best explained by looking inward not clinging harder to sports views. I just can't take these people seriously anymore. I want to be humble and relate on a surface, football discussion level, but this shit is craziness. So here I go, I'm gunna call it as I see it. Grow up!!!!!!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Also, Tretter should be resigned and I think could play guard too.

If I were Tretter, I'd stick at center if it was my best position. Let the Packers trade one of the two centers.

I agree Tretter might be able to add some weight and play guard. But is that his natural position? I don't know.

[Patler]

If I were Tretter, I'd stick at center if it was my best position. Let the Packers trade one of the two centers.

I agree Tretter might be able to add some weight and play guard. But is that his natural position? I don't know.

Ya, I think the Packers will have to pick one over the other at center, and be content with losing the other one to play center for another team.

[RashanGary]

If I were Tretter, I'd stick at center if it was my best position. Let the Packers trade one of the two centers.

I agree Tretter might be able to add some weight and play guard. But is that his natural position? I don't know.

Tretter is a boss center. Guards are paid more. Could still get a fat ass paycheck. But yeah, in the most selfish way, he should stay a center and Matthews should pin his ears back every play at the weakest OL and Spriggs should refuse to play guard too. But most of these guys are social by nature and want to help the team and don't want to split from their "pack" (no pun intended), so I think he'd probably move it asked to. And I respect that. I make sacrifices for the group in my life too.

[RashanGary]

If I had to pick centers, I'd pick tretter. Big picture, keeping best 5 and factoring age in, I'd try to play Tretter at guard, but I might be wrong there.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is just guess work, no actual assumption of exact correctness, but a guy like Red, seems unhappy. Bitching about the Packers is like a release. Actually making changes in his own life would he hard. So bitching about something he has no control over is easy and feels therapudic. Nothing wrong with it, it's just not reasonable.

Someone like skinbasket, probably not very successful, but fancies himself the worlds smartest person or at least in the group of superior intellectuals. It's easy to come here and find a flawed player and bitch and feel superior. Nothing wrong with it, we're human, we don't always adjust perfectly to the humble realities of our own lives, but it doesn't make it grounded or reasonable.

So my point is, fans seem highly unreasonable and cling extra hard to their unreasonabality because it's part of their self-image. Letting it go would force them to look in the mirror or at least find a new distraction. And that's hard. Honesty is hard. So here we are, in a sports forum, dodging our realities. Crazy!

But I think most of the stuff here is unreasonable and the unreasonableness can be best explained by looking inward not clinging harder to sports views. I just can't take these people seriously anymore. I want to be humble and relate on a surface, football discussion level, but this shit is craziness. So here I go, I'm gunna call it as I see it. Grow up!!!!!!

I agree that grouchy posters are troublesome. The beatings must continue until moral improves.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I agree that grouchy posters are troublesome. The beatings must continue until moral improves.

Nobody calls me names! Keep it up and I change my damn handle thingy, you young whipper-snapper.

[RashanGary]

Tretter played the best I've seen a center play for the Packers for the first half of this season. Probowl player IMO. He was actually a half way serviceable left tackle. Very few centers can do that. I just like him a whole hell of a lot and think he might be a damn fine guard. Lindsley is a solid center.

I value 24 year old 300+ pound guys who can move and play ball a lot. It would be very hard for me to let one of them go. It would be much easier for me to part ways with a 30 year old 300lber with rickety hips and shoulders. I'm 35, 220lbs and have been mostly good to my body and my ankles and knees and hips are starting to feel the wear.

I lean toward finding a way to keep both quality young big guys but that's me. I like Tretter more and would pay him more.

I wouldn't be shocked if you two were more on with this either. It's an interesting topic with grey area, so I bring it up.

[Patler]

Tretter played the best I've seen a center play for the Packers for the first half of this season. Probowl player IMO. He was actually a half way serviceable left tackle. Very few centers can do that. I just like him a whole hell of a lot and think he might be a damn fine guard. Lindsley is a solid center.

I value 24 year old 300+ pound guys who can move and play ball a lot. It would be very hard for me to let one of them go. It would be much easier for me to part ways with a 30 year old 300lber with rickety hips and shoulders. I'm 35, 220lbs and have been mostly good to my body and my ankles and knees and hips are starting to feel the wear.

I lean toward finding a way to keep both quality young big guys but that's me. I like Tretter more and would pay him more.

I wouldn't be shocked if you two were more on with this either. It's an interesting topic with grey area, so I bring it up.

I prefer Tretter over Linsley, too; but I don't think they are better off trying to force a square peg into a round hole by moving Tretter to guard either.

In the not too distant future, they probably need to find a place for Spriggs to play, too. I can envision Bulaga moving to guard, and Spriggs or even Tretter at RT more than I can see Tretter at guard. Remember that Bulaga was well on his way to taking the starting job away from Colledge until Bulaga was injured at the end of TC his rookie year.

Then again, maybe in two or three years the line will be:
Bakhtiari, Taylor, Tretter or Linsley, Spriggs and Murphy or ... Murphy and Spriggs

[Harlan Huckleby]

Nobody calls me names! Keep it up and I change my damn handle thingy, you young whipper-snapper.

I detect an improvement in your attitude - it's all relative. Justin T. Harrrell's admonishment is working!

[RashanGary]

Then again, maybe in two or three years the line will be:
Bakhtiari, Taylor, Tretter or Linsley, Spriggs and Murphy or ... Murphy and Spriggs

It is that grey. Spriggs looks good for a rookie. I could see it falling the way you and hh see it more now. One or the other at center. The problem is we have seven good lineman who are young enough to stay invested in. You know, maybe we keep both Tretter and Lindsley with bulaga and lang Both as casualties?

Bahk/Taylor/Lindsley/Tretter/Spriggs ?? Oldest guy 26?

Packers have a good OL situation.

[Patler]

It is that grey. Spriggs looks good for a rookie. I could see it falling the way you and hh see it more now. One or the other at center. The problem is we have seven good lineman who are young enough to stay invested in. You know, maybe we keep both Tretter and Lindsley with bulaga and lang Both as casualties?

Bahk/Taylor/Lindsley/Tretter/Spriggs ?? Oldest guy 26?

Packers have a good OL situation.

Ya, my last suggestion had Bulaga out, too. He has had enough injuries often enough, that I think 10 years might be all he has in him. His current contract will take him through 2019, 10 seasons. He will be 31 years old going into 2020.

To keep Tretter, they may have to commit to him as a starter on paper next year; but that could come a number of ways; at center, at guard or even at RT with Bulaga moving inside. Tretter does worry me a little. I don't think he has been available for an entire season yet either.

It's a never ending need, having 8 decent OL versatile enough to cover all the positions. I feel much better about their situation than I did and a year or two ago.

[pbmax]

Wasn't Tretter on the roster and available for the 2015 season, while Linsley started? Tretter started three games that Linsley missed I think.

Apparently they are Clark Kent and Superman.

[Patler]

Wasn't Tretter on the roster and available for the 2015 season, while Linsley started? Tretter started three games that Linsley missed I think.

Apparently they are Clark Kent and Superman.

Could be, so fully available for one year of four?