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    WHO IS THE 2ND BEST COACH IN THE NFL ???????????

    Given some we calling for IMO a decent coaches head for weeks ago, the timing seems fun to start up a poll of who is the 2nd best coach in the NFL ? When you really think about this question, and those not vote worthy it does not seem MM is that bad.

    It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to acknowledge Hoody Genius is the best coach in the NFL and probably the best of all time. Thank God the Pats and Scott Pioli parted ways years ago because if they had a great GM they might never lose.

    Hoody Genius also appears to have surrounded himself with a superior coaching staff that is at least among the best in the NFL. It's my hope Hoody Genius Jr and Hoody Genius' Defensive Coordinator both get head jobs to break the staff up.

    When creating the poll, I'm posting he other six Super Bowl Winners, Andy Read since he would seem to be on the edge, and other.

    VOTE AWAY RATS !!!! And please list some reasoning behind your call.
    24
    MIKE MCCARTHY
    0%
    9
    PETE CARROLL
    0%
    6
    SEAN PAYTON
    0%
    0
    GARY KUBIAK
    0%
    0
    JOHN HARBAUGH
    0%
    4
    MIKE TOMLIN
    0%
    2
    ANDY REID
    0%
    2
    OTHER---List Name in thread
    0%
    1
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER
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    Another way to look at this; if you have your squad set and you're drafting a coach to lead your group to the finals...............who is your pick ?

    I think I'd go with Pete Carroll.

    Personally I"m not sure Kubiak belongs in that group but since he won a SB I included him.

    MM, PAYTON, HARBAUGH, TOMLIN................they ALL seems similar to me with Carroll being the next best
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      I think it's between McCarthy and Carroll. I went with Carroll simply because he managed to beat McCarthy 2 years ago even though I think McCarthy had the better team.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #4
        CARROLL was SO CLOSE to winning 2 SB's as well. Had he won both him and Russ would be being touted as HOF guys. Eli Manning will get there based on his two.
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          McCarthy
          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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          • #6
            No Jason Garrett on that list? I'm not even all that sure Belichek is #1. I'm also not all that sure being a consistent winner makes somebody the best coach. Maximizing the winning according to the talent available would be my criterion. I had this discussion with my grandson, and he said something that rings true: A "good coach" really doesn't make that much difference in the NFL, but a "bad coach" sure can screw things up. Bruce Arians also wasn't on that list, and I think I will go with him as my choice for best by that maximizing criterion.
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            • #7
              Jim Harbaugh was the 2nd best coach in the NFL in my opinion. Everywhere he has gone he has won and won big.

              I don't care for Sean Payton, he has never impressed me. John Harbaugh has experienced a lot of consistent success in Baltimore with a good-but-not-great QB. He's very good. Pete Carroll is great too. Tomlin and MM are obviously great too.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
                No Jason Garrett on that list? I'm not even all that sure Belichek is #1. I'm also not all that sure being a consistent winner makes somebody the best coach. Maximizing the winning according to the talent available would be my criterion. I had this discussion with my grandson, and he said something that rings true: A "good coach" really doesn't make that much difference in the NFL, but a "bad coach" sure can screw things up. Bruce Arians also wasn't on that list, and I think I will go with him as my choice for best by that maximizing criterion.
                Garrett may be Coach Of The Year. But in 6.5 seasons, he's won 1 playoff game. He has a ways to go before he can be compared with the other names. Not sure about Arians. I would have rated him high before this year, but his team was one of the biggest disappointments of 2016. Need to see if he can rebound.
                I can't run no more
                With that lawless crowd
                While the killers in high places
                Say their prayers out loud
                But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                A thundercloud
                They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                • #9
                  I'm taking John Harbaugh...he's the less crazy of the Harbaughs, and he's been the one coach who has proven to be able to beat Belichick. He's clearly a very solid cerebral coach who also appears to have firm command of the players.

                  Carroll is overrated...he lucked into a great situation in Seattle with a ton of talent that he did not have input in assembling for the most part. Let's see how he looks in Seattle 3 years from now when most of that talent is gone.
                  It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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                  • #10
                    Harbaugh is a great coach but what a nutjob. I couldn't take all that whine.

                    Carroll and his pom-poms can stay in Seattle.

                    McCarthy is such a proven QB whisperer, teacher, preparer, innovator and bottom-line winner.

                    In my opinion, it's

                    Bellicheck

                    McCarthy

                    Tomlin, Reed, Harbaugh
                    Carroll
                    Arians, etc.

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                    • #11
                      I don't see any of those guys who has produced a winner with minimal or even average talent. All of them were pretty much just along for the ride and didn't rock the boat. I said Arians because it seems like he has won with less talent on the team than the others. Harbaugh (Jim) has been a better college coach than pro - maybe his crap works better on that age level - and he eventually DID rock the boat in San Fran, and the team got worse. Harbaugh (John) has presided over the gradual fading of the Ravens - as their talent level aged and got lower. Belichick has had a great run with New England, but he's also had loaded teams talent-wise. He wasn't all that great with the Browns or Jets. Carroll has always been a sleaze, a cheater, and a con man, and as somebody said above, he lucked into a lot of talent in Seattle. He wasn't that great in pre-Brady New England. Tomlin, I'll defer to that great football mind, Terry Bradshaw hahahaha. And then there's our guy, McCarthy. How many times do I have to say, Aaron Rodgers has MADE his reputation as a good coach, and he has failed to maximize the winning even though he has the greatest QB in NFL history. Innovator? Come on! His play calling/game planning, well, the Packers win in spite of it, not because of it.

                      What pretty much all of those guys are is motivators, and that certainly helps in winning. On the other hand, though, you could name a helluva lot of great motivators who didn't have talented teams and therefore didn't win.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by King Friday View Post
                        I'm taking John Harbaugh...he's the less crazy of the Harbaughs, and he's been the one coach who has proven to be able to beat Belichick. He's clearly a very solid cerebral coach who also appears to have firm command of the players.
                        I agree with this. He does a lot of the little, strategic things like taking the safety in the super bowl, holding on the final play to run out the clock a few weeks ago, etc. He knows the rules better than anyone it seems.

                        Carroll is overrated...he lucked into a great situation in Seattle with a ton of talent that he did not have input in assembling for the most part. Let's see how he looks in Seattle 3 years from now when most of that talent is gone.
                        Not so sure I agree. He built a HOF program at USC and then he has had the final say on player acquisition since joining Seattle. Pete has done well for himself - whether it's due to putting great people around him or his own individual talent. If we were a fledging program, I'd love to bring in Pete and his system.

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                        • #13
                          I guess the way that I view Jim Harbaugh is he knows how to make teams tougher, play to their strengths/potential, and the overachieve. He took SF, a horrible program with tons of talent, to 3 straight NFC championship games. Then all of the drama started, he left, and they're back to awful. Sure, some talent certainly left, etc.

                          Stanford went from bad to great and with Harbaugh's chosen successor in place has maintained a level of consistent top 10 play. Michigan has all of the talent in the world but has gone through coach after coach and couldn't get it done. Jimmy has had tremendous success there in two years so far. I think UM was a top 3 team in the country this year.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vince View Post
                            Harbaugh is a great coach but what a nutjob. I couldn't take all that whine.

                            Carroll and his pom-poms can stay in Seattle.

                            McCarthy is such a proven QB whisperer, teacher, preparer, innovator and bottom-line winner.

                            In my opinion, it's

                            Bellicheck

                            McCarthy

                            Tomlin, Reed, Harbaugh
                            Carroll
                            Arians, etc.
                            I agree, I wouldn't want to have to watch Hairball and Mr. Cheerleader every week let alone root for their team. But Carroll's success may be more than just lucking into a good GM and a couple of great drafts. Schneider looks for guys with a chip on their shoulder and Mr. Pom Pom seems to have a knack for bringing out the passion in his players. Would I want to see it every week? No. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Schneider/Carroll sustain the success they've had.

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                            • #15
                              Pete Care-hole.

                              He seems to get the most out of the talent he has, and he has a knack for risk-taking that most NFL coaches abhor.
                              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                              KYPack

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