TT or M3

[bobblehead]

Let's just keep the best GM in football for a couple years till he's ready to hang up the clipboard and travel bags. Elliot wolf is a young man. The Packers job is the most authoritative GM position in the NFL. No meddling owner. If he wants to run off to some other place, see ya. He'll sit tight though. Thompson is an old man. He has 5 years max in him I'm guessing and Elliot is in a great position to take over the best job in football.

My dream scenario is that TT hangs in there for about, oh say 5 years, which lines up with Wisconsin native John Schneider's contract being up.

[texaspackerbacker]

If the question is who is responsible for the Packers decade(s) of success, the answer is primarily neither Thompson or McCarthy. The answer, of course, is Aaron Rodgers - and Brett Favre before him. You could say that means Ted Thompson who drafted him - and Wolf before him who brought Favre, but especially in the case of Thompson, I would argue the that the blind squirrel principle applies here.

The Packers are so successful almost entirely because of the play of Aaron Rodgers, DESPITE the questionable at best play calling and game planning of McCarthy and the failure of Thompson to maximize the talent level around Rodgers. I have said, overall winning is more important than post-season, Super Bowls won, etc. The fact is, though, we coulda/woulda/SHOULDA won a LOT more regular season and post season in the Rodgers era if things had been maximized.

[RashanGary]

My dream scenario is that TT hangs in there for about, oh say 5 years, which lines up with Wisconsin native John Schneider's contract being up.

I would take this scenerio and I wouldn't change it a bit. In fact, if Schneider comes available, I'd respectfully and appreciatively let TT go and hire Schneider. I don't see one being much better than the other and Schneider is younger.

[RashanGary]

I would love to replace Bahk, but there are only so many Joe Thomas on the planet.

I might be wrong on bahk. But might you also be wrong? Is it possible you just missed on a good player because you had a prebuilt idea of what he was? I never try to trust my mind 100% it's failed me too many times. I respect your views. Just want to make sure you know your limitations (same ones we all have) before I waste future time shooting the shit about the OL (my new found passion ) Nothing feels like a bigger waste of time than a discussion with someone who's so concerned with being right rather than adjusting to right thinking (something I try to do.)

[BZnDallas]

3 points.
1) We have no idea if Elliot wolf will be a good GM or not.
2) We have no idea if TT will stick around or become GM of the Bears instead
3) Ron Wolf utilized FA in a short term win now capacity in an era of no salary cap and had the luxury of the single greatest player in history being available and offering said player the most money which God told said player to accept.

1) No, we don't. And we didn't know if MM was HC material either. You usually don't know if anybody is going to be good or not. Is that a reason to never make a change?
2) No, we don't. But we had a HoF qb at the beginning of TTs tenure. Making it easier to fix the cap and still remain competitive. It would take TT much longer to fix the bares. And since retirement rumors have already begun, I don't see that happening. But that's just my thought on this topic.
3) Reggie wasn't the only FA brought in by Wolf, although yes he is the greatest known free agent signing. Didn't think I need to put time limits on Ron's free agent spending. My point was that he spent and TT rarely does.

I'm not saying TT isn't a good/great GM. My overall point was I didn't think TT did everything possible to make this team better. A few years back we talked how this man left no stone unturned. Bringing in guys from the smallest of schools, or from rugby leagues, or wherever. Now he's not even making phone calls to find out about players and their price tag. Of the two, TT and MM, bc of this reason, I'd choose MM to stay outright and ask TT to take on advising role. No guarantee, but this was the hypothetical I was given.

[BZnDallas]

I might be wrong on bahk. But might you also be wrong? Is it possible you just missed on a good player because you had a prebuilt idea of what he was? I never try to trust my mind 100% it's failed me too many times. I respect your views. Just want to make sure you know your limitations (same ones we all have) before I waste future time shooting the shit about the OL (my new found passion ) Nothing feels like a bigger waste of time than a discussion with someone who's so concerned with being right rather than adjusting to right thinking (something I try to do.)

This may be the most honest post in the history of the internet. Not blaming or pointing fingers at anybody, because I think we've all run into people like this.

[beveaux1]

I'm assuming you're talking about Vernon Davis who said he was not approached by Green Bay after he was not re-signed by the Broncos, even though he wanted and expected a call. I think that might more be a case of TT not thinking there was much left in the tank. He didn't play well at Denver and hasn't really played that well at Washington. TT chose to go a different route and signed Cook. There might have been another player that made that claim but I can't recall it. In any case, it's been said that TT has kicked the tires of more free agents than we know of, but if their value and his valuation doesn't match, they don't sign here.

[BZnDallas]

I'm assuming you're talking about Vernon Davis who said he was not approached by Green Bay after he was not re-signed by the Broncos, even though he wanted and expected a call. I think that might more be a case of TT not thinking there was much left in the tank. He didn't play well at Denver and hasn't really played that well at Washington. TT chose to go a different route and signed Cook. There might have been another player that made that claim but I can't recall it. In any case, it's been said that TT has kicked the tires of more free agents than we know of, but if their value and his valuation doesn't match, they don't sign here.

I didn't think Vernon Davis wanted any part of playing in GB. Thought he always hated the idea of playing in the cold or for whatever reason. I could be mistaken however. I was actually referring to Danny Travethan (sp?), MLB after he signed with Chicago. Yes he got hurt and IR'd but you can't assume those injuries would happen anywhere he went. Time and circumstance. And it was a position of need he ended up using a draft pick on in Blake Martinez. Not that I have any issue with Blake, he was more than solid for a rookie. If memory serves me correctly Travethan was only 28 at the time as well. All the more reason to pick up the phone and at the very least make a call and see what his number is. Look under every stone, right?

[beveaux1]

Forgot about Trevathen. Like guard, ILB is not a place that most teams like to spend a large cap number on, especially in a 3-4 defense. I don't know what Denver offered, but he signed for over 6 mil per year. If Denver offered 4 or so, and he didn't take it, that might have been too rich for us. Never know what a GM is thinking.

[bobblehead]

I might be wrong on bahk. But might you also be wrong? Is it possible you just missed on a good player because you had a prebuilt idea of what he was? I never try to trust my mind 100% it's failed me too many times. I respect your views. Just want to make sure you know your limitations (same ones we all have) before I waste future time shooting the shit about the OL (my new found passion ) Nothing feels like a bigger waste of time than a discussion with someone who's so concerned with being right rather than adjusting to right thinking (something I try to do.)

No, I'm pretty sure I am good at being honest with myself. I still poke fun of the fact I thought Allen Babre would be an all pro guard. Bahk lacks certain things to be a dominant LT, but he has utilized what he has very well.

What I said remains dead accurate. You would like a Joe Thomas at LT, but they are about 5 on the planet at a time. Bahk has steadily improved from a bottom 5 LT in the league to probably around middle of the road. You can win with that, especially if you have a rodgers.

[Tony Oday]

Name 10 better than Bahk. He keeps AR clean, can't run block great but pass pro is on point.

[Guiness]

Name 10 better than Bahk. He keeps AR clean, can't run block great but pass pro is on point.

I'll bite. I think there are 10. I do think Bakh is a good LT, and suited for the Packers O, but I think he's 10-15, not top 10.

Elite LTs right now - Thomas, Smith, Stayley, Whitworth and Trent Williams.

Next level are Armstead, Jason Peters, Okung and Cordy Glenn. One last one is tough, I'd have to say Duane Brown. Admitedly, Okung might be just name recognition now, but what seen a little and read that Oakland's LT, Penn, is up there too.

[Patler]

McGinn had an article a week ago. He had "two high-ranking personnel men for AFC teams" choose between Bakhtiari and each of the 31 other starting LTs if they needed to win a game now.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...gain/95803636/

One had Bakhtiari tied for 10th, the other had him tied for 12th.

Just seven were picked over Bakhtiari by both: Trent Williams, Jason Peters, Tyron Smith, Joe Staley, Cordy Glenn, Joe Thomas & Taylor Lewan.

Branden Albert, Duane Brown & Eric Fisher were picked over Bakhtiari by one, and tied with him by the other.
Ereck Flowers, Jake Matthews & Russell Okung were picked over Bakhtiari by one, but the other picked Bakhtiari over them.

Terron Armstead & Nate Solder were considered tied with Bakhtiari by one of the men, the other picked Bakhtiari over them.

Bakhtlari was picked by both over the other 16 LTs

That seems to put him tied with about a half dozen others for the second tier below the top 7-10 guys.
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[BZnDallas]

Forgot about Trevathen. Like guard, ILB is not a place that most teams like to spend a large cap number on, especially in a 3-4 defense. I don't know what Denver offered, but he signed for over 6 mil per year. If Denver offered 4 or so, and he didn't take it, that might have been too rich for us. Never know what a GM is thinking.

I understand all of that. My issue is TT didn't even pick up the phone and see what the number was. Yes Chicago signed him for 4 for 24.5. That is not a lot of money for a 26 year old stud MLB. Especially with the growth of the cap year after year.

[Pugger]

I understand all of that. My issue is TT didn't even pick up the phone and see what the number was. Yes Chicago signed him for 4 for 24.5. That is not a lot of money for a 26 year old stud MLB. Especially with the growth of the cap year after year.

How can you be certain?