TT or M3

[bobblehead]

Name 10 better than Bahk. He keeps AR clean, can't run block great but pass pro is on point.

First of all, you are dead wrong on Bahk. His run blocking is his strength as an LT. The more you let him maul his guy, the better he gets in pass.

1) Joe Thomas-the gold standart right now
2) Tyrone Smith-One of the few better run blockers than Bahk...as the one eyed raven told young stark..."much better" Lets call him the Sir Arthur Dayne or run blocking LT.
3) Andre Whitworth-Getting older, but making several pro bowls of late. Rounded.
4) Joe Staley-About the only good player left on the 49ers.
5) Jason Peters-Another oldie who keeps chugging along
6) Trent Williams-Builds Trumps wall on the left side to the QB. No mexicans sacking Cousins on his watch.
7) Terron Armstead-I admit, never watch him play, but he is mentioned amongst leagues elites at LT
8) Donald Penn-Simply a mountain of a man. A Big part of the reason the Raiders are renewed.
9) Eric Fischer-I thought he was a bust early on. I think he was a converted TE in college so his growth may have been behind. The footwork...my goodness for a guy who is at least 6' 7"
10) Brandon Albert-Getting up there as well. He can still round out a nice top 10 list.

I defy anyone to tell me TT wouldn't trade Bahk straight up for anyone on this list.

[bobblehead]

McGinn had an article a week ago. He had "two high-ranking personnel men for AFC teams" choose between Bakhtiari and each of the 31 other starting LTs if they needed to win a game now.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...gain/95803636/

One had Bakhtiari tied for 10th, the other had him tied for 12th.

Just seven were picked over Bakhtiari by both: Trent Williams, Jason Peters, Tyron Smith, Joe Staley, Cordy Glenn, Joe Thomas & Taylor Lewan.

Branden Albert, Duane Brown & Eric Fisher were picked over Bakhtiari by one, and tied with him by the other.
Ereck Flowers, Jake Matthews & Russell Okung were picked over Bakhtiari by one, but the other picked Bakhtiari over them.

Terron Armstead & Nate Solder were considered tied with Bakhtiari by one of the men, the other picked Bakhtiari over them.

Bakhtlari was picked by both over the other 16 LTs

That seems to put him tied with about a half dozen others for the second tier below the top 7-10 guys.
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The 2 unanamous guys play for Titans and Bills. 2 teams I also never watch. Now I have reason. Jake Mathews isn't all that. Don't see why someone picked him. I'll take Bahk over him.

[bobblehead]

That seems to put him tied with about a half dozen others for the second tier below the top 7-10 guys.
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Which I concur with. Middle of the road. Clearly better than bottom 10, clearly inferior to top 10 (or 7 as you say).

[Guiness]

McGinn had an article a week ago. He had "two high-ranking personnel men for AFC teams" choose between Bakhtiari and each of the 31 other starting LTs if they needed to win a game now.

http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...gain/95803636/

One had Bakhtiari tied for 10th, the other had him tied for 12th.

Just seven were picked over Bakhtiari by both: Trent Williams, Jason Peters, Tyron Smith, Joe Staley, Cordy Glenn, Joe Thomas & Taylor Lewan.

Branden Albert, Duane Brown & Eric Fisher were picked over Bakhtiari by one, and tied with him by the other.
Ereck Flowers, Jake Matthews & Russell Okung were picked over Bakhtiari by one, but the other picked Bakhtiari over them.

Terron Armstead & Nate Solder were considered tied with Bakhtiari by one of the men, the other picked Bakhtiari over them.

Bakhtlari was picked by both over the other 16 LTs

That seems to put him tied with about a half dozen others for the second tier below the top 7-10 guys.
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I'm surprised Whitworth wasn't mentioned at all.

[Patler]

I'm surprised Whitworth wasn't mentioned at all.

Whitworth was mentioned by name, because both guys picked Bakhtiari over him:

Among the 16 players defeated by Bakhtiari, 2-0, were Donald Penn of Oakland, the other Pro Bowl selection, and Cincinnati’s Andrew Whitworth, a Pro Bowl choice last year.

[run pMc]

Division champs 5 out of 6 years, playoffs for 8 straight. TT and M3 must be doing something right.

[Joemailman]

Division champs 5 out of 6 years, playoffs for 8 straight. TT and M3 must be doing something right.

Kool-Aid drinker.

[call_me_ishmael]

No, I'm pretty sure I am good at being honest with myself. I still poke fun of the fact I thought Allen Babre would be an all pro guard. Bahk lacks certain things to be a dominant LT, but he has utilized what he has very well.

What I said remains dead accurate. You would like a Joe Thomas at LT, but they are about 5 on the planet at a time. Bahk has steadily improved from a bottom 5 LT in the league to probably around middle of the road. You can win with that, especially if you have a rodgers.

Baloney. Bahk will be a pro bowler going forward. He is ranked by PFF as the #1 pass blocking LT in the league, and as you know it's a passing league.

[texaspackerbacker]

We in here and a lot of commentators and media people too tend to judge TT-acquired players, particularly Bakhtiari and the O Line in general by comparing them to what we have had the past few years, and undeniably, by that standard, our current O Line, including Bakhtiari are extremely good. However ......., the mobility and ability to pass accurately while scrambling of Aaron Rodgers is what MAKES the O Line's reputation as pass blockers. Even last week - like basically every other week - the opposing QB had a helluva lot more time to just drop back and throw than our QB. I'm not complaining much, as we now seem to be back to winning games and putting up big offensive numbers that way, but good grief, how good could it be if the line didn't let those pass rushers come roaring through in way too little time? Heaven help us if we ever have to use anybody else at QB behind that O Line.

[beveaux1]

We in here and a lot of commentators and media people too tend to judge TT-acquired players, particularly Bakhtiari and the O Line in general by comparing them to what we have had the past few years, and undeniably, by that standard, our current O Line, including Bakhtiari are extremely good. However ......., the mobility and ability to pass accurately while scrambling of Aaron Rodgers is what MAKES the O Line's reputation as pass blockers. Even last week - like basically every other week - the opposing QB had a helluva lot more time to just drop back and throw than our QB. I'm not complaining much, as we now seem to be back to winning games and putting up big offensive numbers that way, but good grief, how good could it be if the line didn't let those pass rushers come roaring through in way too little time? Heaven help us if we ever have to use anybody else at QB behind that O Line.

This offensive line is excellent at pass blocking. Rodgers is one of the best in the league at extending plays, but, generally when he begins extending the play he has had sufficient time in the pocket. Ask Bradford, Manning, Big Ben, Newton, or Brees if they could play behind this line and I believe the answer would be a resounding "yes".

[texaspackerbacker]

This offensive line is excellent at pass blocking. Rodgers is one of the best in the league at extending plays, but, generally when he begins extending the play he has had sufficient time in the pocket. Ask Bradford, Manning, Big Ben, Newton, or Brees if they could play behind this line and I believe the answer would be a resounding "yes".

I disagree. As I said, they are MUCH better this year than in the past, and I will give them a lot of credit for the "scramble drill" - adjusting when Rodgers is forced out of the pocket and blocking then, but where they fall way short is stopping the initial pass rush - letting people past them and putting quick pressure on the QB, forcing him to scramble. Bradford and Eli would be dead with this line; Big Ben would be taking hits and maybe standing stout and throwing; Brees I don't think is very mobile - he too would suffer badly. Newton might be able to pull off what Rodgers does, but I don't think he'd be able to pass as accurately on the run.

[pbmax]

I disagree. As I said, they are MUCH better this year than in the past, and I will give them a lot of credit for the "scramble drill" - adjusting when Rodgers is forced out of the pocket and blocking then, but where they fall way short is stopping the initial pass rush - letting people past them and putting quick pressure on the QB, forcing him to scramble. Bradford and Eli would be dead with this line; Big Ben would be taking hits and maybe standing stout and throwing; Brees I don't think is very mobile - he too would suffer badly. Newton might be able to pull off what Rodgers does, but I don't think he'd be able to pass as accurately on the run.

I agree with tex's point, to a point. I think this line can be had by blitzing. You can confuse Lane Taylor and especially the newly minted running back corp with a variety of blitzes.

TJ Lang is also playing quite banged up and doesn't have his normal range. McGinn made mention of this fact in his grades column today.

If you line up with 4 and rush with simple stunts, its not going to work.

[Fritz]

I do think blitzing has been more effective against this offense than in the past, for the reasons PB mentions. I am hoping MM is preparing for such a scenario and getting Montgomery set up with some screens - and that the dude practices his blitz pickup a little better.

[run pMc]

It's an above average pass blocking line and a below average run blocking line IMO.
Rodgers had almost 9 seconds to throw to Allison in the end zone. If the Packers D let Russell Wilson scramble around that long and throw a TD fans and forum posters alike would be calling for Capers' head on a pike...so yes, it's a good pass blocking line this year, most QB's would love to throw behind it, and if you believe in those crazy sites, I think PFF is the one that seems to agree.

[Joemailman]

It's an above average pass blocking line and a below average run blocking line IMO.
Rodgers had almost 9 seconds to throw to Allison in the end zone. If the Packers D let Russell Wilson scramble around that long and throw a TD fans and forum posters alike would be calling for Capers' head on a pike...so yes, it's a good pass blocking line this year, most QB's would love to throw behind it, and if you believe in those crazy sites, I think PFF is the one that seems to agree.

Why do you think it's a below average run blocking line? They're 7th in the NFL in YPC. And that's with their leading rusher being a converted WR. Lacy was averaging over 5 YPC before he got hurt.