Heroes and Zeros - Packers vs. Lions

[Patler]

No kidding. With Geronimo and hopefully Cobb back next week I hope they keep Janis only on ST (unless they want to try that end around again).

I think Janis' time in GB will be done unless he shows great strides as a WR next year. His ST value has declined this year as others like Brice, Evans and Dorleant have shown similar aggressiveness and tenacity in coverage. Janis has been a non-factor in returns, and they have quite a few potential return men who have more value on O or D than Janis. As a WR, Davis has similar speed, and I expect another WR in the draft..

Janis has a size/speed combination that is a little uncommon, and unmatched by anyone on the current roster., but in performance he no longer provides anything that others do not, and his mistakes have increased.

It may come down to Davis and Janis for the last roster spot at WR. Davis had opportunities early, and apparently did nothing to impress the coaches. Janis might have the advantage over him right now, but might not by next fall.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Could it be that Matthews was just being "smart" and saving up his all-out effort for when it really matters? (Maybe Dom too?) After all, he knew before the game started that the Pack was going to play next week.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was questioning your math, not to mention your knee jerk defense of Stubby's ignorance. I surely wouldn't question your common sense.

My math was the same as Hoosiers, and I didn't defend MM, unless you call guessing he forgot he was up by 2 scores a defense.

[Patler]

I've always thought big Mike needs to add a guy to his staff that could function as a minder. An old coach with no more career aspirations that could prompt him in the heat of battle. Belichick has that old pal of his that he consults with (not on the sideline, but you get the idea). Some old hand that would only have to speak up once a month, but remind Mike when he gets all screwed up.

It seems to me that Clements should be serving that function. What else is he doing these days?

[KYPack]

Would he even have to punt? Why not just stand over center on 4th down until the clock runs out? I think I saw it done in one of yesterday's games.

Would that give Caldwell a shot at the old "Put 12 men on the field" trick?

Game can't end on a D penalty.

Or izzat illegal now?

[Maxie the Taxi]

My math was the same as Hoosiers, and I didn't defend MM, unless you call guessing he forgot he was up by 2 scores a defense.

I'm still thinking we wouldn't have had to punt. Just run the time out on 4th down.

But that is neither here nor there. Now I am questioning your severe disability when it comes to guessing. Maybe Stubby needs to hire a rather mature 8th grader to stand by his side at crunch time and point to the scoreboard.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm still thinking we wouldn't have had to punt. Just run the time out on 4th down.

with 5 seconds left, up by 2 scores, you can pass the ball to the other team and laugh while they run it into the endzone

[Maxie the Taxi]

with 5 seconds left, up by 2 scores, you can pass the ball to the other team and laugh while they run it into the endzone

True, but we are still faced with the Stubby brain fart problem. That turned a laugher into a nail-biter that conjured up the ghost of the Seattle game past.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Yup. You maybe don't need hands to play CB, but you need a brain.

Wow! Not much lovin here for poor Janis. Maybe he will turn it around, nuy yeah, is running out of time. I seem to recall similar hate for Adams here not too long ago.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Wow! Not much lovin here for poor Janis. Maybe he will turn it around, nuy yeah, is running out of time. I seem to recall similar hate for Adams here not too long ago.

It's especially disheartening since I believe I am the President of the Janis fan club.

[KYPack]

It seems to me that Clements should be serving that function. What else is he doing these days?

Well P, I don't think Tollbooth Mike would listen to Tom C in crucial situations anymore than he listens to him now. Clements "Title" is Associate Head Coach/Offense. In other words, Senior Piss boy.

(Winston Moss is the Associate Head Coach/Defense. IOW, the Pack is developing their own little coaches Monster Island)

I'm thinking MM should bring some old sage coach from his past. An old line coach, an offensive coordinator or HC that he would trust to ask the odd bit of advice. A guy he could ask "Wadaya think Joe"? and he'd trust the advice. A guy who could holler "everybody, shut the fuck up" and the whole team would listen to him kind of guy.

[Iron Mike]

I've always thought big Mike needs to add a guy to his staff that could function as a minder. An old coach with no more career aspirations that could prompt him in the heat of battle. Belichick has that old pal of his that he consults with (not on the sideline, but you get the idea). Some old hand that would only have to speak up once a month, but remind Mike when he gets all screwed up.

I think that's why Mike gave up play calling for a bit. He gets distracted by that multi-fold laminated sheet of his and gets his mind off game situations from time. An old salt could have told him he was up by two scores and could kneel out the clock and have a couple seconds for the punt to end the game. He should get a guy like that.

Didn't Mike Sherman kinda do the same thing personnel-wise by bringing in Mark Hatley???

[pbmax]

Didn't Mike Sherman kinda do the same thing personnel-wise by bringing in Mark Hatley???

He also brought in a clock guru whom he largely ignored.

[Iron Mike]

Well P, I don't think Tollbooth Mike would listen to Tom C in crucial situations anymore than he listens to him now. Clements "Title" is Associate Head Coach/Offense. In other words, Senior Piss boy.

(Winston Moss is the Associate Head Coach/Defense. IOW, the Pack is developing their own little coaches Monster Island)

I'm thinking MM should bring some old sage coach from his past. An old line coach, an offensive coordinator or HC that he would trust to ask the odd bit of advice. A guy he could ask "Wadaya think Joe"? and he'd trust the advice. A guy who could holler "everybody, shut the fuck up" and the whole team would listen to him kind of guy.

Maybe he could hire Joe Philbin away from the Colts...

[pbmax]

On Hyde coming up big:

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/insidersblog/2017/01/02/4-downs-unsung-hyde-comes-through/96082050/