Nelson Rib Assassin Says He Was Not Fined

[red]

now this is a cool idea

http://newatlas.com/vicis-zero1-football-helmet/41318/

the outer layer is like a car bumper that bends and gives

[pbmax]

Outlawing helmet hits completely would be a major and IMO unnatural change to the game of football. Instead, they should apply technology to making helmets and other equipment more protective. Somebody mentioned the Michelin man in another thread. If they are serious about greatly decreasing head injuries and for that matter, other injuries too, I say never mind how it looks; Conjure up some big balloony foam or whatever filled helmet that would withstand just about anything and at the same time not damage knees, ribs, or whatever else it hits if somebody leads with it. It doesn't seem like that sort of thing would be all that difficult to do. I bet just the weird oversize looks are the main negative. That, to me, is far better than trying to modify behavior and constantly making judgments over violations or not.

The better you make the equipment, the more players use it to make hits.

When helmet technology was less advanced, no one tackled by hitting with their head first.

There were some kill shot artists (Tatum) but it didn't become a league trend until Kenny Easley and Atwater came into the League. Defensive coaches also began to teach players to use their helmet to help force fumbles when creating turnovers became a point of focus.

You stop that, concussions will significantly drop and football changes little. Goes back to better form tackling.

Coaches used to admonish players for going in head first because you couldn't see your target. Go back to being on form.

[Guiness]

The better you make the equipment, the more players use it to make hits.

When helmet technology was less advanced, no one tackled by hitting with their head first.

There were some kill shot artists (Tatum) but it didn't become a league trend until Kenny Easley and Atwater came into the League. Defensive coaches also began to teach players to use their helmet to help force fumbles when creating turnovers became a point of focus.

You stop that, concussions will significantly drop and football changes little. Goes back to better form tackling.

Coaches used to admonish players for going in head first because you couldn't see your target. Go back to being on form.

+1 to this. A better helmet would lead to guys MORE willing to lead with their head (fines notwithstanding) and more injuries like the one Nelson suffered.

[CaptainKickass]

[texaspackerbacker]

The better you make the equipment, the more players use it to make hits.

When helmet technology was less advanced, no one tackled by hitting with their head first.

There were some kill shot artists (Tatum) but it didn't become a league trend until Kenny Easley and Atwater came into the League. Defensive coaches also began to teach players to use their helmet to help force fumbles when creating turnovers became a point of focus.

You stop that, concussions will significantly drop and football changes little. Goes back to better form tackling.

Coaches used to admonish players for going in head first because you couldn't see your target. Go back to being on form.

I got distracted when I wrote that post and didn't finish commenting on your post about past trends. I was gonna mention Tatum and Lott, and even back to Butkis and Nitschke and Sam Huff and back before I was born, Johnny Blood and others I can't even think of. It was S.O.P. back in the day to try and hurt people - really! It's just in the modern era that we get this goody goody crap about everybody respecting each other and not trying to do damage. Back then, respect meant you deemed somebody worth smashing his head in. Nowadays, head hunting is the exception to the rule - and often isn't even intentionally to hurt other players - that is the trend. Back then, it was what it was.

[texaspackerbacker]

The better you make the equipment, the more players use it to make hits.

When helmet technology was less advanced, no one tackled by hitting with their head first.

There were some kill shot artists (Tatum) but it didn't become a league trend until Kenny Easley and Atwater came into the League. Defensive coaches also began to teach players to use their helmet to help force fumbles when creating turnovers became a point of focus.

You stop that, concussions will significantly drop and football changes little. Goes back to better form tackling.

Coaches used to admonish players for going in head first because you couldn't see your target. Go back to being on form.

The kind of helmet and other equipment I'm talking about would NOT make it less likely to lead with the head; It would make it more likely, but less deleterious. I recall back when I was in the army, training with what they called "pugil sticks" - big padded things that you did your best to smack the hell out of somebody or spear or ram or whatever, but nobody got hurt because of the padding. I've also seen these things that look like fat suits where people go at it as viciously as their violent instincts desire - and nobody gets hurt. Even sumo wrestling is sorta like that. I'm just talking about something on players' heads, though - a soft helmet about 1 1/2 times the diameter of now that basically does what an air bag does in a car accident. And if people wanted to lead with that, have at it. Knees and ribs and whatever else would be saved too.

[RashanGary]

Was a good hit. This is football.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Such bullshit. One more example of Goodell's inconsistencies. Bring back Rozelle!

[pbmax]

I got distracted when I wrote that post and didn't finish commenting on your post about past trends. I was gonna mention Tatum and Lott, and even back to Butkis and Nitschke and Sam Huff and back before I was born, Johnny Blood and others I can't even think of. It was S.O.P. back in the day to try and hurt people - really! It's just in the modern era that we get this goody goody crap about everybody respecting each other and not trying to do damage. Back then, respect meant you deemed somebody worth smashing his head in. Nowadays, head hunting is the exception to the rule - and often isn't even intentionally to hurt other players - that is the trend. Back then, it was what it was.

I cannot comment from direct experience with Nitschke or Huff. Saw a little of Butkus.

Hurting opponents was a part of the game, same as today. Some moves were legal back in the day that are not now, clothesline or head slap. No rule enacted after that period stopped players from hurting others.

But there was no use of the head like there is today, especially in the open field. Meet the FB in the hole on a dive? Sure. But not on a corner route.

It would not take the injury factor out of the game. It would simply move it down.

No more hitting with the helmet.

[pbmax]

Was a good hit. This is football.

It was a spear and dumb. Many other, less dangerous options to prevent Nelson from securing the ball. Easily fixed with another technique.

[Zool]

Was a good hit. This is football.

It's actually a textbook hitting with the crown of the helmet and illegal. Take away the helmet and he never even attempts that sort of hit.

[RashanGary]

1. Turnovers for touchdowns
2. Long play touchdowns
3. Turnovers that lead to easy touchdowns
4. Turnovers that take away sure points
5. Huge plays that lead to easy touchdowns
6. Turnovers that lead to easy field goals
7. Injuring a good player (qb preferred)
8. Crushing the qb
9. Affecting the quarterbacks head
10. Affecting the skill players heads

After direct scoring plays, beating the shit out of the opponent is the next most impactful thing a team can do. When you take out the head, you take out the body. This was a rib shot, but I would have cheered long and hard if Clinton dix did that to obj.

[woodbuck27]

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 13m13 minutes ago
#Giants DB Leon Hall was not fined for the hit he delivered on #Packers WR Jordy Nelson (ribs), source said. Nelson is out for Sunday.

Now woodbuck should go ape.

The next step is up to the Green Bay Packers Brass:



As I view it. It was taking too long for news of the fine to come out. With the way the Green Bay Packers were handling the aftermath of this illegal hit and the extent of the injury to Jordy Nelson I am not surprised there was no fine.

The hit was 'in fact' illegal according to NFL Rules and a player (Packer WR Jordy Nelson) was lost to his team for a future game (s) and thus the NFL should have fined NY Giants Safety Leon Hall.

This is a classic case of 'insult added to injury'. The question I have.: What will the Green Bay Packers 'Brass' do as a follow up to this insult from the NFL's Head Office?

[Pugger]

Woody, what's with all the ape photos?

[woodbuck27]

Woody, what's with all the ape photos?

Just something that pbmax posted in post 1 this thread.

A followup on that. Having a little fun.