Official Packers vs. Falcons NFC Title Game Discussion Thread

[vince]

uh huh.

OK. We should believe you over the experts. Got it.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Harlan, FYI...

[vince]

I don't claim to know if he'll play but there are protective devices available.

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[gbgary]

now Michael is on questionable list...back. geesh.

[hoosier]

me be retarded

Now now, dont speak about yourself that way, you are just as smart as your brothers.

[vince]

They even have a video for the "Gel-to-Shell" technology. I didn't know this stuff existed. It's pretty cool actually.

[pbmax]

What relevance do those teams have today?

I really liked the result....


....of the first playoff battle between these two QBs.

[pbmax]

I don't think Jordy will play. He has the flu, he has broken (not just cracked, but broken) ribs. Relying on him in the gameplan would be a mistake.

the official announcement was fractured. Which would indicate they could indeed just be cracked.

Has there been other info?

[pbmax]

Rib protection through the years: the Byron Donzis era

O.K., try this for size. Remember the guy who snuck into a Houston hospital room last fall with a friend and a baseball bat. That guy was Byron Donzis. In bed in that room was Dan Pastorini, the quarterback of the Oilers, who had been maimed that particular Sabbath past. Pastorini was in the hospital with broken ribs. Donzis introduced himself, and then his friend hauled off and whomped Byron across his ribs. With the baseball bat. Pastorini flinched. Donzis did not. Then Donzis showed Pastorini how he had on this dandy little inflatable vest. Soon, Pastorini was back in action, wearing one of Donzis' so-called flak jackets, and the Oilers went to the playoffs. Now the National Football League has taken Donzis under its wing and agreed to underwrite much of his research that pertains to gridiron safety.

Back when SI had THE best writers on the planet, it was a sheer joy to read the magazine. I recommend the entire article from September, 1979 by Frank DeFord

http://www.si.com/vault/1979/09/03/823922/gridiron-2000-dont-be-shocked-when-the-21st-century-arrives-and-the-nfl-teams-in-super-bowl-xxxiv-have-women-quarterbacks-launching-135-yard-touchdown-passes-with-their-power-assisted-arms

[Guiness]

the official announcement was fractured. Which would indicate they could indeed just be cracked.

Has there been other info?

A fracture is a break, there is no difference. Fracture is a clinical term. A small crack is a fracture, a bone shattered into 3 pieces is a fracture. Can't read anything into that term.

[vince]

There is no difference between a bone break and a fracture. Fracture is the clinical term for a break in a bone. A fracture can range in severity from a hairline fracture, which is a small crack in the bone, to a compound fracture, which occurs when the broken bone punctures the skin.

There are 17 different types of fractures (thanks google). I've seen no mention of anything other than a simple fracture/break. The fact that he's out there in practice and has a chance to play suggests that his break tends toward the less severe end of the spectrum I'd say.

EDIT: Guiness you beat me to it I see. Sorry for the repeat...

[Harlan Huckleby]

OK. We should believe you over the experts. Got it.

You don't own the experts. If you surveyed 100 doctors about the wisdom of playing wide receiver with ribs broken two weeks ago, what do you suppose the survey sez?

I know they might get a team doctor to take the risk. JJ Watt played pro football 6 months after major back surgery. Some expert signed off on it. Doesn't mean it was smart, or that I agree with taking such a risk for the sake of entertainment.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, FYI...

What is that spine thing? Does everyone have one?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Football is a game, entertainment. No more consequential than season 7 of America's Got Talent.

When Clay Aiken has laryngitis, do you think he should force himself to sing just to try to win "American Idol"? Heavens no, we don't Clay to hurt himself just for our thrilling to his crooning.

[vince]

You don't own the experts. If you surveyed 100 doctors about the wisdom of playing wide receiver with ribs broken two weeks ago, what do you suppose the survey sez?

I know they might get a team doctor to take the risk. JJ Watt played pro football 6 months after major back surgery. Some expert signed off on it. Doesn't mean it was smart, or that I agree with taking such a risk for the sake of entertainment.

That would be a worthless survey and any doctor worth his/her salary would say that. It depends on the extent of the break, whether the player's injury can be properly protected, and on the pain/performance threshold.

My point is neither you nor I, nor the 200 doctors you want to survey, know anywhere close to enough about the situation to offer a relevant opinion on it.