Defensive needs, in order.....

[Deputy Nutz]

I remember that. But I also remember him coming up big versus the Giants.

He is almost not a starter because of his limitations. He's not Jarret Bush, but you want him for a utility role not a starting CB or safety. His value is in versatility.

If the Giants actually hung onto the balls they dropped with Hyde in coverage I think you would have a different take on the Giants game. He was chasing from behind especially on the first several series. The Packer caught a several breaks in that game with the poor performances of the Giants' receivers.

[Deputy Nutz]

Also we can bag on the secondary all we want, but the fact of the matter is that in the last two playoff games the Packers struggled to put pressure on the QB. If a QB has time to throw in the NFL there are going to be open receivers. As a whole the Packers need to improve all facets of their pass defense for 2017.

Matthews simply makes too much money for the production and his time spend on the field. He has to either restructure his deal taking upfront guaranteed money or he has to bounce. Nick Perry who also seems to be injured to frequently is a free agent and will command a hefty salary increase. The Packers could be looking at trying to replace three key pass rushers in 2017 with the hopeful retirement of Julius Peppers.

Perry is one of the better free agent pass rushers in 2017 along with Chandler Jones from Arizona. Jones is the one that had a bad reaction to fake marijuana last year during the playoffs. He is also the brother of UFC fighter Jon Jones who is currently suspended due to PEDs. Melvin Ingram from San Diego might also deserve a look. The rest of the guys that bring pass rush are old and past their prime. If the Packers would actually sign any of these guys it would be likely a one year deal maybe three with a front loaded deal, even then it isn't worth it for some of these guys.

At the end of the day the Packers might be stuck with Matthews and his shitty contract.

[vince]

Also we can bag on the secondary all we want, but the fact of the matter is that in the last two playoff games the Packers struggled to put pressure on the QB. If a QB has time to throw in the NFL there are going to be open receivers. As a whole the Packers need to improve all facets of their pass defense for 2017.

Matthews simply makes too much money for the production and his time spend on the field. He has to either restructure his deal taking upfront guaranteed money or he has to bounce. Nick Perry who also seems to be injured to frequently is a free agent and will command a hefty salary increase. The Packers could be looking at trying to replace three key pass rushers in 2017 with the hopeful retirement of Julius Peppers.

Great points.

[gbgary]

I would rather get a mix of talent that can play zone and man to man. THAT way, you can matchup in the best possible way.

What I don't know is why this has not happened before. They have tried to use zones before with poor results.

you'd think a guy that can play man could easily play zone so i'd go for the person who could do the tougher task over some project.

[gbgary]

If the Giants actually hung onto the balls they dropped with Hyde in coverage I think you would have a different take on the Giants game. He was chasing from behind especially on the first several series. The Packer caught a several breaks in that game with the poor performances of the Giants' receivers.

hyde is a backup safety first, and then a utility man. he was only in that position out of necessity.

[pbmax]

If the Giants actually hung onto the balls they dropped with Hyde in coverage I think you would have a different take on the Giants game. He was chasing from behind especially on the first several series. The Packer caught a several breaks in that game with the poor performances of the Giants' receivers.

True, but like on that back shoulder throw he broke up (think that was Hyde) being physical because of speed limitations has its advantages on certain routes.

[red]

I know you struggle in this condition to actually process what you read so I will state it again. He dealt with the groin injury from the 3rd week of the season on. He missed a total of 7 games and had surgery in the middle of the season. His play was sub par I don't think anyone is telling you any different, but I think there are significant reasons for it. If you want to watch two football games at the beginning of the season and say that he was bound to suck for the rest of his pro career, go ahead it doesn't really matter what we think.

And like I said, in WEEK 2 he had a terrible game where he showed all the shitty hallmarks that he displayed after the injury

[red]

I know you struggle in this condition to actually process what you read so I will state it again. He dealt with the groin injury from the 3rd week of the season on. He missed a total of 7 games and had surgery in the middle of the season. His play was sub par I don't think anyone is telling you any different, but I think there are significant reasons for it. If you want to watch two football games at the beginning of the season and say that he was bound to suck for the rest of his pro career, go ahead it doesn't really matter what we think.

And like I said, in WEEK 2 he had a terrible game where he showed all the shitty hallmarks that he displayed after the injury

[RashanGary]

And like I said, in WEEK 2 he had a terrible game where he showed all the shitty hallmarks that he displayed after the injury

I read somewhere Randall said he hurt the groin or sports hernia or whatever it was in week 1. So my understanding is he only had one healthy game all season. And he was really good that game. After that he was shit.

[red]

Lol

[red]

And like I said, in WEEK 2 he had a terrible game where he showed all the shitty hallmarks that he displayed after the injury

and someone that agrees with me about randall being horrible before the injury

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/02/03/aarons-answers-pay-cuts-cobb-matthews/97447592/

The same can not be said of Randall. He played poorly from the first game on, got injured, came back, and then played even worse.

[wist43]

How good would any of these guys look in Green and Gold?? Bernardrick McKinney (2nd rd), or Lorenzo Mauldin (3rd rd), or Ronald Darby (2nd rd), or Deion Jones (2nd rd), or Telvin Smith (5th rd), etc, etc...

All of these were players that many of us identified as good players to target - and all were available when Ted had the chance to grab them; and, all of them have proven to be better players than those that Ted picked. Instead Ted spits on these players and we end up with a defensive roster of slugs that languishes near the bottom of the league in perpetuity.

Ted, Dom, and the Packers as an organization care next to nothing about the ILB position - they've outright stated as much. Their attraction to "soft" DB's who can't tackle and generally suck at playing zone is endemic. As for the DL - who can say what they're ever trying to accomplish... there's no identity, and the primary prereq for all DL positions is that the player be as pedestrian as possible.

Add to that Dunderdummy's insistence on playing a 2-4 base, and you have a recipe for disaster - and yes Max, 2-4 is our base defense.

For you apologists and eternal optimists - nothing is going to change. We have over a decade of this regime doing the same thing over and over and over... Dom will run that idiotic 2-4 for the rest of his life - all of which will be spent as the Packers DC; and Ted will never, ever bring in impact FA's or adequately address the ILB position.

It is what it is.

We will be 9-7 to 11-5 again next year, and promptly be bounced from the playoffs again as another offense stomps our weak-ass defense into the ground.

[Bretsky]

How good would any of these guys look in Green and Gold?? Bernardrick McKinney (2nd rd), or Lorenzo Mauldin (3rd rd), or Ronald Darby (2nd rd), or Deion Jones (2nd rd), or Telvin Smith (5th rd), etc, etc...

All of these were players that many of us identified as good players to target - and all were available when Ted had the chance to grab them; and, all of them have proven to be better players than those that Ted picked. Instead Ted spits on these players and we end up with a defensive roster of slugs that languishes near the bottom of the league in perpetuity.

Ted, Dom, and the Packers as an organization care next to nothing about the ILB position - they've outright stated as much. Their attraction to "soft" DB's who can't tackle and generally suck at playing zone is endemic. As for the DL - who can say what they're ever trying to accomplish... there's no identity, and the primary prereq for all DL positions is that the player be as pedestrian as possible.

Add to that Dunderdummy's insistence on playing a 2-4 base, and you have a recipe for disaster - and yes Max, 2-4 is our base defense.

For you apologists and eternal optimists - nothing is going to change. We have over a decade of this regime doing the same thing over and over and over... Dom will run that idiotic 2-4 for the rest of his life - all of which will be spent as the Packers DC; and Ted will never, ever bring in impact FA's or adequately address the ILB position.

It is what it is.

We will be 9-7 to 11-5 again next year, and promptly be bounced from the playoffs again as another offense stomps our weak-ass defense into the ground.

WELCOME BACK WIST !!! Yes, your comments about the above names ring fairly true

[wist43]

WELCOME BACK WIST !!! Yes, your comments about the above names ring fairly true

Haven't abandoned you guys... just so busy I can't find a moment to catch my breath.

I changed jobs, and now travel a lot - combined with 3 young kids... I pretty much have no life outside of family/work. It's all good though... kids and wife are awesome, we're a happy clan.

I lurk on here when I can, and try to post once in a while - but usually find myself falling asleep as I'm trying to form a thought to get my 2 cents worth in, lol...

I'm trying to get up to speed a little bit for the draft... so hopefully I can chime in a bit on prospects and what I'd like to see Ted do - not holding my breath though. If I had my way, most of those guys I listed in the above post would be Green Bay Packers today.