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  • #76
    I think you just leave Clay's contract alone and ride the tiger. This is one of those situations where you best option really is just depend on his recovery. Him contributing like a probowler again is one of the most likely ways our defense could flourish.
    70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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    • #77
      I don't really think the Packers have a choice in 2017 with Clay's contract, but realize it is a situation where you are going on tilt with hoping that he will get healthy and return to double digit sack numbers.

      If Thompson actually goes after free agents to repair this defense then I would say the cutting Matthews is a worth it, but if he is just doing it as a cost measure and continues plug holes only through the draft then the Packers should keep paying Matthews.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
        I don't really think the Packers have a choice in 2017 with Clay's contract, but realize it is a situation where you are going on tilt with hoping that he will get healthy and return to double digit sack numbers.

        If Thompson actually goes after free agents to repair this defense then I would say the cutting Matthews is a worth it, but if he is just doing it as a cost measure and continues plug holes only through the draft then the Packers should keep paying Matthews.
        That's really a judgement about the quality of the FA you could get vs the likelyhood Matthews makes an elite contribution. With dead cap you stand to gain 11M or so by cutting him? If its worth cutting him its not by much. If he were already a FA he'd be the type of guy I'd want, a guy you're buying low on.
        70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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        • #79
          You want an over priced player that is often injured on the downside of his career? 11 million this season and nearly 15 million next year means you can sign a number one corner.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
            You want an over priced player that is often injured on the downside of his career? 11 million this season and nearly 15 million next year means you can sign a number one corner.
            This is free agency, the only option is over-priced and/or risky. Matthews will be just 31 this season and presumably starts the season squared away health-wise and position-wise. Him whooping some ass doesn't require some comeback player of the year narrative. If you think best case scenario for him is KGB at this point then ok I guess. I think there's more than that in the tank.

            You can and should sign a starting-caliber CB anyways but it won't matter if there is no pass rush. Its easy to imagine a much improved pass defense just with a two-armed Matthews and two-handed Perry.
            70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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            • #81
              What's more likely: Ted signs a high-profile free agent who is not already on the team and does not get cut from another team, or Fritzy has sex with Drew Barrymore somewhere other than in his dreams?
              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

              KYPack

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                Before his shoulder he missed two games with a hamstring. He misses far too many tackles, and can't make plays in coverage. Even when healthy he struggles to show up in crunch time. Perfect example is the NFC Championship game against Seattle. How much are you willing to pay Matthews per sack? 2016 you payed him roughly 3 million per sack. When he played an entire season in the inside he still only managed 66 tackles. He is more hype than production. I agree he is coming back but if the Packers did cut him they would have plenty of money to sign a starting caliber defensive back and sign Nick Perry. .
                That makes his pressure numbers look even better. Sack isn't the only evidence he is having an effect.

                I agree, healthy, Perry is the better player on the LOS. But the history is not there are he stays less healthy than Matthews.

                If you wanted to go production per dollar, you sign Jones and Peppers cheap and toss Perry and Matthews to some other team to spend money on their injured list.

                I might endorse that move except for all the plays Matthews does not make, I see him much more than Jones, who somehow totaled more pressures. Which means that over 16 games, his number is very unimpressive.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                  What's more likely: Ted signs a high-profile free agent who is not already on the team and does not get cut from another team, or Fritzy has sex with Drew Barrymore somewhere other than in his dreams?
                  Are you sure you want us to answer this question?
                  Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                  • #84
                    Why would they sign Tretter? They have Linsley, and a guy they like on the PS. I could see them drafting a player for depth and banking on 2 of Barclay, Spriggs, and Murphy to make a leap and be the depth. Not sure you want to spend big money on a backup player who's injured a lot. Tretter is a luxury they will skip if they sign a veteran CB in FA.

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                    • #85
                      Good thread with a lot of really good posts on both sides of just about all these guys.

                      I'm assuming Cook is in for sure. Then, if Ted goes to the top of the market at CB it seems like Lang, Tretter and Lacy could all be gone. Or Datone might have to come back vs. Perry. A top-shelf CB plus Lang, Lacy and Perry doesn't seem to work - unless Matthews is willing to redo his deal or Ted is willing to cut him. That'd take balls of steel, which Ted has shown but I'm not seeing that here.

                      And the offseason action (combine, signing period) is a month away yet.

                      Keep dreaming Fritzy.
                      Last edited by vince; 02-11-2017, 07:43 AM.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by run pMc View Post
                        Why would they sign Tretter? They have Linsley, and a guy they like on the PS. I could see them drafting a player for depth and banking on 2 of Barclay, Spriggs, and Murphy to make a leap and be the depth. Not sure you want to spend big money on a backup player who's injured a lot. Tretter is a luxury they will skip if they sign a veteran CB in FA.
                        They might do it because Ted doesn't like to watch talent walk away before a second deal. But as you say, the numbers may work against it. He does have a number of starts, so his price might not be bargain basement.

                        The only scenario I can picture that they NEED him would involve moving Linsley to Guard to replace Lang (or backup both) and let Tretter start. With a backup Guard, you let Barclay go and keep Murph and the Magictones (Spriggs).
                        Last edited by pbmax; 02-11-2017, 10:32 AM.
                        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by vince View Post

                          Keep dreaming Fritzy.
                          he has no shot with drew from 20 years ago, but he might have a shot with her today



                          just like me 20 years ago with jennifer love hewitt, she was the hottest girl ever, but if her ass keep growing, i figure she'll be knocking down my door in a couple years

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                          • #88
                            Just like Ted has a shot with a FA - as long as he's no longer in his prime and comes cheap!

                            I'll take any version of Drew. Just like some of you will take any version of Eddie Lacy.
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • #89
                              What Packerrats see when they see a big-name free agent:





                              What Ted Thompson sees when he sees a big-name free agent:


                              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                              KYPack

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                              • #90
                                My guess is you guys haven't seen Santa Clarita Diet, lol..
                                wist

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