Packers' Off Season Moves and 2017 Roster

[Deputy Nutz]

I would rather go with a late round guy rather than drafting a first rounder to play guard. I know that is unlike Ted, but he is looking more and more like a dementia victim, you never know what that opossum looking motherfucker is going to do.

[woodbuck27]

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#Packers have lost seven free agents this offseason. Subject to change but might be moving on from Goode, too.

Goode and Chris Michael are the odd men out still.

Anyone else get the sense that Ted didn't like his roster much last year? Or was it that they were so middling they weren't worth paying.

"Anyone else get the sense that Ted didn't like his roster much last year?" pbmax

I think that is obvious.

So he got outbid for guy's like Lang and Tretter (and maybe even Lacy) but what was his plan to replace these fellas?

1.) Did Ted Thompson even have a contingency plan?

2.) Then there is the question of Cap Space. Is TT going to waste more of that?

3.) Does Ted Thompson realise that with all the former (beginning of the 2016 season) Roster players lost to FA this winter; and due to injury or trade last season. That any Draft and Development plan is 'a hooey and a hope' for a Super Bowl next season?

[Rutnstrut]

"Anyone else get the sense that Ted didn't like his roster much last year?" pbmax

I think that is obvious.

So he got outbid for guy's like Lang and Tretter (and maybe even Lacy) but what was his plan to replace these fellas?

1.) Did Ted Thompson even have a contingency plan?

2.) Then there is the question of Cap Space. Is TT going to waste more of that?

3.) Does Ted Thompson realise that with all the former (beginning of the 2016 season) Roster players lost to FA this winter; and due to injury or trade last season. That any Draft and Development plan is 'a hooey and a hope' for a Super Bowl next season?

Even the TT nut huggers should be able to see that Ted doesn't do contingency plans. His ego is too big, if he had contingency plans it would be like admitting his base plans can fail.

[Bretsky]

no worries; as he always does AROD will get us to the playoffs

[Pugger]

I would rather go with a late round guy rather than drafting a first rounder to play guard. I know that is unlike Ted, but he is looking more and more like a dementia victim, you never know what that opossum looking motherfucker is going to do.

One good thing for us is Ted has been pretty good at finding gem linemen in later rounds of the draft.

[Pugger]

Even the TT nut huggers should be able to see that Ted doesn't do contingency plans. His ego is too big, if he had contingency plans it would be like admitting his base plans can fail.

I know you suspect I'm a big Ted fan but I am very ambivalent about him. I wish he was a little more active in FA but I can understand he doesn't want to overpay guys. However, he is the last person I would say has a big ego.

[ThunderDan]

I know you suspect I'm a big Ted fan but I am very ambivalent about him. I wish he was a little more active in FA but I can understand he doesn't want to overpay guys. However, he is the last person I would say has a big ego.

100% Pugger! What GM of a team would not be present when they retired a player's number? If TT had an ego he would have been on the stage with Favre and Murphy. Instead he stayed up in the Packer's Box and let the ceremony go on without being seen.

[pbmax]

"Anyone else get the sense that Ted didn't like his roster much last year?" pbmax

I think that is obvious.

So he got outbid for guy's like Lang and Tretter (and maybe even Lacy) but what was his plan to replace these fellas?

1.) Did Ted Thompson even have a contingency plan?

2.) Then there is the question of Cap Space. Is TT going to waste more of that?

3.) Does Ted Thompson realise that with all the former (beginning of the 2016 season) Roster players lost to FA this winter; and due to injury or trade last season. That any Draft and Development plan is 'a hooey and a hope' for a Super Bowl next season?

How much of a contingency plan do you need or want to commit to for a backup center? The contingency plan for Tretter is called starting Center Corey Linsley and backup Don Barclay. And before everyone busts open an important artery, while Barclay is limited, you cannot keep a backup on the roster for starter money in a 2nd contract. The numbers won't work. Tretter is also not Mr. Reliable.

Lang simply got more guaranteed money than the other two teams chasing him were comfortable with. Its a near record for guaranteed money. For a guy with an injury history and coming off ankle/foot surgery. He might make it to the end of his contract, but previous history is not on his side.

The contingency plan is for younger guys to step in and get better, just as Lang did when he was a youngster.

[pbmax]

Even the TT nut huggers should be able to see that Ted doesn't do contingency plans. His ego is too big, if he had contingency plans it would be like admitting his base plans can fail.

At one point, Josh Sitton and TJ Lang were the contingency plans that no one knew anything about (Sitton came through much faster).

The reason you know about them is that they got a chance to play, rather than an expensive and over the hill vet.

[gbgary]

[Rutnstrut]

At one point, Josh Sitton and TJ Lang were the contingency plans that no one knew anything about (Sitton came through much faster).

The reason you know about them is that they got a chance to play, rather than an expensive and over the hill vet.

Do you deny that Ted's unwillingness to put a team together through all avenues possible makes it much tougher? TT and stubby would not even still be employed in GB if it weren't for Rodgers continually saving their ass.

[pbmax]

Do you deny that Ted's unwillingness to put a team together through all avenues possible makes it much tougher? TT and stubby would not even still be employed in GB if it weren't for Rodgers continually saving their ass.

I deny it because without Rodgers the Brett situation, draft position, draft picks and free agents all play out differently.

You can't change one variable and pretend everything else stays the same.

You can also sign a lot more FAs when the QB isn't making $22 million per year.

And your basic claim, that he doesn't use all available avenues is demonstrably untrue.

Short answer: I deny it, yes.

[Bretsky]

I deny it because without Rodgers the Brett situation, draft position, draft picks and free agents all play out differently.

You can't change one variable and pretend everything else stays the same.
You can also sign a lot more FAs when the QB isn't making $22 million per year.
And your basic claim, that he doesn't use all available avenues is demonstrably untrue.
Short answer: I deny it, yes.

Year after year we gave chances to unrestricted free agent and how many have we signed in the past five years before this year ? Those are the pure facts.
I'd hire you as a salesman in a second because your reasoning of using AROD's salary and linking it to our inability to sign free agents is a very effective way of shifting the focus when asked a question you don't want to address. We don't sign free agency because right or wrong, TT feels our chances are better to not take the short term risk/reward of free agency and instead believes in is ability to wins Super Bowls through the draft. Trades ? I'm sure there are some minor ones I forgot..maybe. I recall Ryan Grant. I recall Matthews about 7-8 years ago. I don't recall much else. TT is fine; he's an above average GM; but there is several I"d rather have and I wish he'd utilize other avenues better.

[pbmax]

We don't sign free agency because right or wrong, TT feels our chances are better to not take the short term risk/reward of free agency and instead believes in is ability to wins Super Bowls through the draft.

This is the part that drives me crazy. He DOES sign free agents. You want him to sign more.

If the Packers did not have a franchise QB, then that changes the cap picture completely. And that would lead to more spending everywhere else.

[Rutnstrut]

PB are you a politician?