Hypothetical DC Change

[Packgator]

what's kevin green been up too?

NY Jets just hired him as outside linebackers coach.

[Pugger]

I'm gonna guess McCoach is going to keep Dom because he figures you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Perhaps instead of bitching about Capers we should be concentrating on Ted and his aversion to FA?

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm gonna guess McCoach is going to keep Dom because he figures you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Perhaps instead of bitching about Capers we should be concentrating on Ted and his aversion to FA?

+1

[smuggler]

I don't think it's the approach TT's taken, per se, but the draft record. If you want to be a home-grown squad, you have to draft well. We haven't done terribly, but we're fielding an 8-8 to 10-6 squad and asking our MVP quarterback to make it happen. Doesn't happen often.

[Pugger]

I don't think it's the approach TT's taken, per se, but the draft record. If you want to be a home-grown squad, you have to draft well. We haven't done terribly, but we're fielding an 8-8 to 10-6 squad and asking our MVP quarterback to make it happen. Doesn't happen often.

But if Ted swings and misses on draft picks it wouldn't hurt to supplement that with a veteran FA instead of UDFAs. You can find gems here like Sam Shields but most of the time these kids weren't drafted for a reason.

[vince]

But if Ted swings and misses on draft picks it wouldn't hurt to supplement that with a veteran FA instead of UDFAs. You can find gems here like Sam Shields but most of the time these kids weren't drafted for a reason.

And most veteran FA's are veteran FA's for a reason - actually 2 reasons. They tend to be not worth keeping and/or are too expensive for their marginal talent, particularly to ride the pines waiting for injury.

The problem with how the salary cap is structured and how much the dozen or so core veterans command is that teams can't afford the journeymen vets to sit on the roster in case of injury, particularly when you consider that they probably won't produce much anyway even if they are unfortunately called into action.

[Bretsky]

But if Ted swings and misses on draft picks it wouldn't hurt to supplement that with a veteran FA instead of UDFAs. You can find gems here like Sam Shields but most of the time these kids weren't drafted for a reason.

[pbmax]

I don't think it's the approach TT's taken, per se, but the draft record. If you want to be a home-grown squad, you have to draft well. We haven't done terribly, but we're fielding an 8-8 to 10-6 squad and asking our MVP quarterback to make it happen. Doesn't happen often.

He's done fine on offense. But the defense has been hit or miss too much. That has affected depth and when you have an injured defense, it suffers.

It still doesn't explain blown assignments and being able to play zone in Year 8 and Game 10.

[Pugger]

And most veteran FA's are veteran FA's for a reason - actually 2 reasons. They tend to be not worth keeping and/or are too expensive for their marginal talent, particularly to ride the pines waiting for injury.

The problem with how the salary cap is structured and how much the dozen or so core veterans command is that teams can't afford the journeymen vets to sit on the roster in case of injury, particularly when you consider that they probably won't produce much anyway even if they are unfortunately called into action.

True, but if you strike out on a draft pick it won't hurt to supplement your roster with a veteran as long as he doesn't cost a king's ransom. For some strange reason Ted has done a better job/luck picking offensive players over defensive ones the past few years.

[pbmax]

True, but if you strike out on a draft pick it won't hurt to supplement your roster with a veteran as long as he doesn't cost a king's ransom. For some strange reason Ted has done a better job/luck picking offensive players over defensive ones the past few years.

One problem, and Wolf among others wanted this changed, is the FA starts before the draft. You obviously aren't going to declare busts after the rookie minicamp, but it would make FA more orderly.

Which, of course, the players don't wish to happen.

[Fritz]

I'm actually more in the blame-Ted camp right now. Nick Perry, Datone Jones, etc. - first round picks that are not getting the pass rush pressure needed. Is it Dom's fault that Datone Jones can't beat a one-on-one block to get to the QB? Or that Perry, as good as he was, couldn't keep it up in the last couple of games? How many sacks did Jerel Worthy, the second round pick TT moved up for in 2012, have in the playoffs this year? Or Mike Daniels?

[pbmax]

I'm actually more in the blame-Ted camp right now. Nick Perry, Datone Jones, etc. - first round picks that are not getting the pass rush pressure needed. Is it Dom's fault that Datone Jones can't beat a one-on-one block to get to the QB? Or that Perry, as good as he was, couldn't keep it up in the last couple of games? How many sacks did Jerel Worthy, the second round pick TT moved up for in 2012, have in the playoffs this year? Or Mike Daniels?

Perry is the injury side of that equation. Jones is just good enough and not a difference maker.

Either would be fine of SOMEONE regularly made the QB piss his pants.

[Fritz]

My point is that as, first rounders, they were supposed to be the ones who made the QB piss his pants. Instead, especially with Jones, QB's have the luxury of pulling it out and leisurely pissing on Jones.

Perry with the injury, okay, but I'm a little leery of that, because then you're saying that ol' if it weren't to injuries to Matthews and Perry...both of whom get injured a lot.

[pbmax]

My point is that as, first rounders, they were supposed to be the ones who made the QB piss his pants. Instead, especially with Jones, QB's have the luxury of pulling it out and leisurely pissing on Jones.

Perry with the injury, okay, but I'm a little leery of that, because then you're saying that ol' if it weren't to injuries to Matthews and Perry...both of whom get injured a lot.

That happens though. Sometimes first rounders, especially at the backend, are just good enough to start. And that is OK as long as you get a freak at some point. At one point that may have been Matthews, but I am not sure he can do it any longer.

[red]

i think every one of us can agree on the idea that theres a problem on the defensive side of the ball

the debate is, does that burden fall on capers or TT

if TT keeps capers, he is admitting that he is the problem. if he fires capers, he blames capers

keeping things as is, again, is just not acceptable. something has to change

then we need to start talking about in years past, like with our debates about slocum. there is a problem, if the HC and GM can't/won't make a change, then we need to make bigger changes