Something to consider.

[Deputy Nutz]

Brady>Rodgers
Not even a debate.

Thompson has built a team to win division titles.
The Packers have a coaching staff to contend each year for a division title.
They do not have a roster or coaching staff to contend for Super Bowls. I think you need at least one of those. The Patriots draft and sign players that are "Patriot People". they don't have the best roster in football, they don't have a Julio Jones but what they have is depth and well coached players that fit their scheme both on offense and on defense.

[vince]

Now you're losing it too Nutz.

The Packers haven't contended for the division title. They've dominated the division, having won it outright 5 of the last 6 years.

Beyond that, the Packers have played in the NFC Championship game 4 of the last 11 years, 3 on the road and 1 Favre debacle at home. They've won the Super Bowl in that time. By any objective measure that's called consistently contending for the Super Bowl.

Assuming they shore up their injury depleted pass defense to a reasonable standard, they'll likely once again be contending for the Super Bowl next year.

[woodbuck27]

I do agree that Rodgers is the best QB ever; I think this year I moved to that belief.

I really think we need a LOT LOT more team speed on defense. Kind of where Atlanta was before the draft last year when they focued on adding speed and athletes to the defense and it seemed to really improve them

Aaron Rodgers may be deemed the best QB to wear a Green Bay Jersey but clearly he is far behind Tom Brady in any conversation and best NFL QB more so player ever.

Tom Brady has a GM and a HC ( Bill Belichick) that prepares his team 'The New England Patriots', to win it all ....year after year after year. Aaron Rogers has much to desire in that area and TT and MM.

I am right now watching Bill Belichick talk on the NFL Network more about next season and how he is preparing to win another Super Bowl.

Us Packer fans simply have to settle it seems with TT and MM and that hasn't been nor will it ever be enough unless they both learn the Bill Belichic method. It is obvious to me that both TT and MM need to grow or let go.

[Deputy Nutz]

Now you're losing it too Nutz.

The Packers haven't contended for the division title. They've dominated the division, having won it outright 5 of the last 6 years.

Beyond that, the Packers have played in the NFC Championship game 4 of the last 11 years, 3 on the road and 1 Favre debacle at home. They've won the Super Bowl in that time. By any objective measure that's called consistently contending for the Super Bowl.

Assuming they shore up their injury depleted pass defense to a reasonable standard, they'll likely once again be contending for the Super Bowl next year.

You can keep assuming but it is the same song and dance every season. If you are content to have one Super Bowl appearance at this point in Aaron Rodgers career then enjoy your division championship hats all you want. To me Division titles are the bare minimum when you have a QB of Rodger's caliber.

[Guiness]

Aaron Rodgers may be deemed the best QB to wear a Green Bay Jersey but clearly he is far behind Tom Brady in any conversation and best NFL QB more so player ever.

Tom Brady has a GM and a HC that prepares his team to win it all year after year after year. Aaron Rogers has much to desire in that area and TT and MM.

I think last night showed that 31 teams have much left to desire on that front. I have no idea what happened last night, and I wonder if anyone does. The only thing I can compare it to is rope-a-dope, tired out the Falcons by letting them score...

[vince]

You can keep assuming but it is the same song and dance every season. If you are content to have one Super Bowl appearance at this point in Aaron Rodgers career then enjoy your division championship hats all you want. To me Division titles are the bare minimum when you have a QB of Rodger's caliber.

I'm not talking about who's content with what. I'm talking about your mischaracterization of reality.

I can be unhappy about losing 3 of 4 NFC Champtionship games in the last 10 years and not winning more Super Bowls, but that doesn't mean the team hasn't consistently contended for them and dominated the division during that time.

[woodbuck27]

Now you're losing it too Nutz.

The Packers haven't contended for the division title. They've dominated the division, having won it outright 5 of the last 6 years.

Beyond that, the Packers have played in the NFC Championship game 4 of the last 11 years, 3 on the road and 1 Favre debacle at home. They've won the Super Bowl in that time. By any objective measure that's called consistently contending for the Super Bowl.

Assuming they shore up their injury depleted pass defence to a reasonable standard, they'll likely once again be contending for the Super Bowl next year.

Contending for next seasons Super Bowl !?

To contend (for the Super Bowl) the Packers must win the NFC Title. It is hardly more than the minimum expected to win the NFCN Title. TT and MM have a lot of work to do simply to repair the mess we see in the teams pass defence. TT has to find the talent and toughness the Packers need to get to the show. MM has to learn how to compete as a HC at the highest level. I will be amazed if at his age and given experience he can get there.

[Deputy Nutz]

I'm not talking about who's content with what. I'm talking about your mischaracterization of reality.

I can be unhappy about losing 3 of 4 NFC Champtionship games in the last 10 years and not winning more Super Bowls, but that doesn't mean the team hasn't consistently contended for them and dominated the division during that time.

You seem really happy with Division titles, and that's okay. That's the reality you have been handed.
Nobody cares about how many NFC Championships games the Packers have lost. Rodgers and McCarthy both recognize that the Packers need a more talented roster to compete for SUPER BOWLS.

Top four in the NFL is only good when you are climbing the mountain the Packers have plateaued right now under Thompson. The best you can hope for is winning one or two games in the NFC playoffs and losing one step before the Super Bowl. That is the reality.

[ThunderDan]

You seem really happy with Division titles, and that's okay. That's the reality you have been handed.
Nobody cares about how many NFC Championships games the Packers have lost. Rodgers and McCarthy both recognize that the Packers need a more talented roster to compete for SUPER BOWLS.

Top four in the NFL is only good when you are climbing the mountain the Packers have plateaued right now under Thompson. The best you can hope for is winning one or two games in the NFC playoffs and losing one step before the Super Bowl. That is the reality.

Talk to PHI about that. They replaced Andy Reed and let Chip Kelly by their GM/coach. He was going to take them to the next level. I bet they really wished they hadn't done that.

[vince]

You seem really happy with Division titles, and that's okay. That's the reality you have been handed.
Nobody cares about how many NFC Championships games the Packers have lost. Rodgers and McCarthy both recognize that the Packers need a more talented roster to compete for SUPER BOWLS.

Top four in the NFL is only good when you are climbing the mountain the Packers have plateaued right now under Thompson. The best you can hope for is winning one or two games in the NFC playoffs and losing one step before the Super Bowl. That is the reality.

No that's fantasyland. Last night's Super Bowl demonstrated reality, assuming people can see it.

You think that the past NFC Championship games the Packers played in demonstrates their fate in all NFC Championship games? That's absurd.

The best you can hope for is to be consistently good enough to put your team in position to get there and hope that injuries and a break here or there in any individual game helps you get to the top.

One or two plays in any game can and usually do determine outcomes in football. The Falcons dominated much of that game and it was a 4th Q sack-fumble and a 4th Q sack that turned that game. Whether those plays were a result of one person's execution or whether they should have run vs. pass on another play emphasizes the point.

This season showed that if Shields plays all year, the Packers could very well have been in the Super Bowl - and won it. The Pats were definitely beatable. If Shields somewhat slows down Jones and Ripkowski doesn't fumble (1 or 2 plays) that NFCC is very likely a different ballgame.

I swear some of you guys here are so emotionally irrational when it comes to Thompson and/or McCarthy (throw Favre in there too) that you have lost your grasp on reality.

Thompson doesn't want to win. McCarthy can't finish games. Both of them are stupid. The lies and mischaracterizations of reality are endless.

[Zool]

Thompson doesn't want to win. McCarthy can't finish games. Both of them are stupid. The lies and mischaracterizations of reality are endless.

Welcome to the new society. Everything is end-game based. Everything short of a world title is a waste of time. Every good play is the best you've ever seen. The best player today is the best ever. Second place is first loser. On and on. We're losing site of the journey and only concerning ourselves with the destination.

[Deputy Nutz]

No that's fantasyland. Last night's Super Bowl demonstrated reality, assuming people can see it.

You think that the past NFC Championship games the Packers played in demonstrates their fate in all NFC Championship games? That's absurd.

The best you can hope for is to be consistently good enough to put your team in position to get there and hope that injuries and a break here or there in any individual game helps you get to the top.

One or two plays in any game can and usually do determine outcomes in football. The Falcons dominated much of that game and it was a 4th Q sack-fumble and a 4th Q sack that turned that game. Whether those plays were a result of one person's execution or whether they should have run vs. pass on another play emphasizes the point.

This season showed that if Shields plays all year, the Packers could very well have been in the Super Bowl - and won it. The Pats were definitely beatable. If Shields somewhat slows down Jones and Ripkowski doesn't fumble (1 or 2 plays) that NFCC is very likely a different ballgame.

I swear some of you guys here are so emotionally irrational when it comes to Thompson and/or McCarthy (throw Favre in there too) that you have lost your grasp on reality.

Thompson doesn't want to win. McCarthy can't finish games. Both of them are stupid. The lies and mischaracterizations of reality are endless.

For someone that keeps bringing up reality there are a lot of "what ifs" in your argument.

[vince]

For someone that keeps bringing up reality there are a lot of "what ifs" in your argument.

OK how about this one.

You state as fact the Packers coaching staff isn't good enough to contend for the title. I state as fact that the Packers won the Super Bowl during this regime.

Which of those two is real and which one is bullshit designed to support an argument that is not real?

[Maxie the Taxi]

The day TT or MM starts posting on Packerrats is the day I'll start getting worked up about "reality" as it pertains to football and the Green Bay Packers.

[Deputy Nutz]

2010 was a magical year. That was six years ago and they haven't been back since. Aaron Rodgers is 34 I am sure 2010 will keep him content for the rest of his career.

Also when comparing New England's coaching staff to the Green Bay coaches one championship isn't even in the same solar system. Just like comparing Thompson to Belichick, Thompson isn't close. The Patriots compete every single year for a Super Bowl. They lose in the AFC championship game it is considered a bad season. The Patriots have made the climb all the way to the top and they have stayed there. The Packers are sitting on a little ledge about 3/4 of the way up and are enjoying the view.

The Patriots have gotten every single drop of talent out of Brady and they have turned it into 7 Super Bowl appearances. The Packers are getting the same from Rodgers and they have been to one Super Bowl. Talent wise, and stat wise Rodgers is on the Mount Rushmore of QBs, but you can't compare him to Brady because Brady has 5 rings and that is in large part due to his coaching and the front office of the Patriots. Rodgers has one Super Bowl for the same exact reasons.

Brady isn't a better QB than Rodgers so what is the difference in number of championships? The Packers have had two Hall of Fame QBs in the last 25 years and they have managed two Super Bowl wins. That is simply not good enough when they have had two top ten QBs of all time behind center. There might be a different reason besides the front office and the coaching staff, maybe the real blame goes to the board of directors and Mark Murphy.